[159john]

Come on guys. Damo figured out information about the car that isn't publically available and chose to share it with the rest of us, I for one appreciate that although I have no immediate use of the info.

And when it comes to broken ecu's as a result of that info; there's hundreds of things you can do to your car described on this site and others that will break your car if done improperly. Ecu's just happen to be more difficult to understand for laymen (especially including me) than the mechanical components of a car. And anyone doing stuff to their car they know they don't master is most likely aware that it might go wrong and cost money to set straight.

There are companies about doing this for a living, but there are companies changing oil and bulbs for a living as well, and still many owners chose to do that by themselves. Lost business for them if diy remapping become widespread? Maybe, but they'll also get to fix the occasional messed up ecu, and given the somewhat limited gains to be had by remapping our (mostly) NA cars without thorough knowledge compared to the noteable risk of messing up badly, I'd wager diy remapping is not a trend that many people will pick up.

I'd also say 147s, 156s, and GTs are getting to the age and cost bracket where tinkering them into permanent non-functionality isn't an enormous financial loss, so would be a perfect practice target for people curious about remapping, and this find may help such a person to get started without needing to invest in a 3rd party ecu (megasquirt/similar). And who knows, that person might be the guy mapping my car professionally in 10 years.

+1. I think the only mistake the OP made was not putting his warning/disclaimer (from his third post), in the original post. I for one certainly won't be trying it, and I would imagine most on here will have the sense not to; but I see it as public-spirited to at least put this into the public domain for those who know enough to take the risk.

 

[ALFA TUNER]

I see it as public-spirited to at least put this into the public domain for those who know enough to take the risk.

Come on guys. Damo figured out information about the car that isn't publically available and chose to share it with the rest of us, I'd wager diy remapping is not a trend that many people will pick up.

12 year old info,quite easily available if you know where to look,the OP was looking for a couple of days before he found it himself,so no big deal.:lol:

But foolish putting it on a car forum like this for others to try and copy

Good luck to any of you attemting it though.

We recover on average three to four 7.3.1 and 1.5.5 ecus a week due to diy attempts:cheese:

 

[Mathias]

I'm surprised to hear such an high number of failed diy mapping attempts, clearly people are more willing to mess their cars up than I was willing to believe

 

[Damo732]

Successful extraction of map,map reasserted successful

 

[Super Seven]

:thumbs: good stuff! Odd that Alfa owners seem more reluctant to do this sort of thing than VW, Audi and even Ferrari owners with similar Bosch ECUs. Lots of info over on Nefmoto, but obviously caveat emptor - free info is often worth exactly what you pay for it.

Mike

 

[Damo732]

Quick update,I inserted original map that my Alfa should have had in it,it solved al the problems,the car will nw rev past 4000 rpm,the car was looking for a auto gearbox that wasn't there,I drive a manual,The guy I got the map off is also remapping this map for me,what a legend

 

[Super Seven]

Good to hear it all went well. Would be interested to know who is doing the remapping for you.

Mike

 

[Norlig]

deos any1 know how I reprogram a ECU? I need to buy a new/used one.

been without a car for weeks right now.

And what is boot mode? is this the mode that it will program itself?

 

[Super Seven]

Reprogramming an ECU is not for the faint of heart and this is probably not the best forum to go into detail about how it is done. There are a huge number of potential pitfalls from bricking your ECU to destroying your engine with the wrong map.
If you are really keen to learn how to do it then I would head over to the Nefmoto forum where they specialise in remapping bosch ECUs.
FYI boot mode is a low level programming protocol for flashing the ECU. It's not like a PC where it does a self reboot.

Mike

 

[judderbar]

This was useful information for me thanks. My current project is to enable a standby copy of my ECU that will be plug and play when I need to either test my electronics or replace the existing ECU. So far I have ordered a second hand ECU and Galletto 1260 cable and spent a huge amount of time finding out what I need to do. It seems with no tailor made expert help for my particular ECU I will be able to clone the ECU or virginise it. Turning the immobiliser off does not seem to be so easy though unless i get a file done by somebody else. Having an ECU with immobiliser off could be useful in certain troubleshooting situations I think.

It appears fairly often you can copy/clone the software contents of your ECU to another ECU of the same model number without needing any particular knowledge of your ECU or needing to buy any software, but for many models you can only do this in 'bootmode' which is why you need pin 20 grounded. Some people have made themselves special ECU plugs to do that but it seems for my car anyway I can do everything while sitting in the comfort of my car using a laptop. My ECU is Bosch model 0261208029 ME73H4F001

:thumbup:

 

[redtop_68]

This was useful information for me thanks. My current project is to enable a standby copy of my ECU that will be plug and play when I need to either test my electronics or replace the existing ECU. So far I have ordered a second hand ECU and Galletto 1260 cable and spent a huge amount of time finding out what I need to do. It seems with no tailor made expert help for my particular ECU I will be able to clone the ECU or virginise it. Turning the immobiliser off does not seem to be so easy though unless i get a file done by somebody else. Having an ECU with immobiliser off could be useful in certain troubleshooting situations I think.

It appears fairly often you can copy/clone the software contents of your ECU to another ECU of the same model number without needing any particular knowledge of your ECU or needing to buy any software, but for many models you can only do this in 'bootmode' which is why you need pin 20 grounded. Some people have made themselves special ECU plugs to do that but it seems for my car anyway I can do everything while sitting in the comfort of my car using a laptop. My ECU is Bosch model 0261208029 ME73H4F001

:thumbup:

That's a Fiat Punto 1.2L ecu!!!

Yes you can clone the Flash by any tool like Galletto or MPPS. You can get them on Ebay/Ali Express for peanuts.

To clone the Eeprom where tha car unique data is stored (like immobilizer data) use the free ME7_95040 tool and a standard KKL interface. Just use Google and you will find it on the Nefmoto forum. See also attached PDF for virginizing the ME7.3.1. Don't know if ME7.3h4 is the same.

You can also try the attached immo off solution. Provided as is. I haven't tested it myself. Rename ME7.3H4.PDF to ZIP and unpack.

 

[judderbar]

That's a Fiat Punto 1.2L ecu!!!

Yes you can clone the Flash by any tool like Galletto or MPPS. You can get them on Ebay/Ali Express for peanuts.

To clone the Eeprom where tha car unique data is stored (like immobilizer data) use the free ME7_95040 tool and a standard KKL interface. Just use Google and you will find it on the Nefmoto forum. See also attached PDF for virginizing the ME7.3.1. Don't know if ME7.3h4 is the same.

You can also try the attached immo off solution. Provided as is. I haven't tested it myself. Rename ME7.3H4.PDF to ZIP and unpack.

Thanks for the prompt reply and hello from Finland

Yes I have a punto.

Thanks for the immo off flash. I will let you know how I get on when the ECU arrives from ebay
I already saw your virginizing pdf thanks and have already been looking at the eeprom command from nefmoto.

I was totally unable to use the wiring method suggested here by the OP. The plug design made it impossible even after I got the dremel out to see what was possible! Instead I just left the plug off and fitted the ground wire for ignition on with no other wires added and removed it 3 seconds later. Also I was only using my 2008 car battery without a charger

With a hex editor I can see my ecu number as 000222666111222000888000222999 so i am assuming the eeprom read has worked ok.

Cheers

 

[judderbar]

That's a Fiat Punto 1.2L ecu!!!

Yes you can clone the Flash by any tool like Galletto or MPPS. You can get them on Ebay/Ali Express for peanuts.

To clone the Eeprom where tha car unique data is stored (like immobilizer data) use the free ME7_95040 tool and a standard KKL interface. Just use Google and you will find it on the Nefmoto forum. See also attached PDF for virginizing the ME7.3.1. Don't know if ME7.3h4 is the same.

You can also try the attached immo off solution. Provided as is. I haven't tested it myself. Rename ME7.3H4.PDF to ZIP and unpack.

I found my ECU had totally different flash data to the contents of your file but the Ebay ecu was identical so I only had to copy over the Eeprom for it to work as a clone and I do not need immo off. :beer:

 

[redtop_68]

I found my ECU had totally different flash data to the contents of your file but the Ebay ecu was identical so I only had to copy over the Eeprom for it to work as a clone and I do not need immo off. :beer:

Great news! Drive carefully! :thumbup:

 

[Damo732]

 

[pedrosimao]

2.detach the plastic cover on that connector (you should now be able to to see the wires that 'enter' into the connector.)
...
4.put a wire into that hole,it is recommended you use a wire like the others (that has a small socket at the end.)

This is a very good idea. Seems much more practical than going bench.
But I am a bit afraid to detach the plastic cover and ending up braking the A Connector. Can you show us how you did? Is it easy to open it or we need to force a bit.
Also can you post a link of examples of good wire to use?

Thanks a lot!!!

 

[Fruity]

I must admit I find all this quite interesting even though I have no idea how to go about it. A cheap scrapper would be necessary to tamper with first of all.

It occurred to me that flashing a new map has different data- we all get that- but I started wondering that the ECU is linked to the immobiliser and surely must have some kind of counter for the rolling immobiliser code.

I think that was the point I definitely realised I know nothing.

 

[photoman]

I appreciate anyone sharing information......you can either take it or leave it. As posted by Fruity I have found the thread interesting to follow.....despite understanding littlie of it. I shall not be trying this on my Giulia

 

[ItsMeMarty]

I appreciate anyone sharing information......you can either take it or leave it. As posted by Fruity I have found the thread interesting to follow.....despite understanding littlie of it. I shall not be trying this on my Giulia

I agree that it is good to share that info (its a good thing in general ) then you can choose yourself what to do with it.
Those who are interested can benefit from it, those that dont can discared the info because its not for everyone.

Verstuurd vanaf mijn GT-I9505 met Tapatalk

 

[photoman]

Doh!

I've only just realised this thread was started in 2013 :curse: