That is just not right!....a SsangYong!

 

Something wrong with your car I reckon.. It should be faster than that.

 

Sounds like somethings wrong with yours - can almost understand the Golf situation depending on the gearing/weight but but not a flamin' Ssangyong.

Take it down to Red Dot, get them to stick it on the rolling road as part of the remap and see what it says.

http://www.alfaowner.com/Forum/tuni...Forum/tuning-and-upgrades/90989-remapped-spider-2-4jtdm-now-the-fun-begins.html

 

I am so tempted by this. I even happen to have scrimped together a bit of spare cash at the moment.

I'm just terrified about the warranty on the car - I've had the brakes issue, the seats and the alarm (plus loose trim and badges, but they're not the same) done and I just wouldn't want to give them any chance whatsoever to wriggle out of warranty.

I know there's always keeping quiet about it, but I guess I'm too honest! I suppose it comes down to a cost-benefit thing - what the risk of, say, the gearbox going "pop" is versus the enjoyment and satisfaction of the remapped car.

 

and yet in my 156 2.4 JTD I beat Porsche Boxsters and I still get 45mpg ... not helping I know ... just thought I'd say it though

 

Argghghhghghghgh :lol:

Cheers all - don't get me wrong, I do love the car but just have this sneaking suspicion that all is not right. If all is right, then it's a bit of a blow, as despite the weight, the 2.4 should haul it along a little better I feel!

 

This is why the car rightly came last in a group test in AutoExpress - the car is far too slow for a sports car.

 

But it's not a sports car and anyone who buys it for that reason is wrong. In terms of a practical, all round 2 seat convertible that looks bloody good there's little to touch it. I can quite happily jump in mine at 6am, drive 550 miles of city, autoroute & mountains and still feel refreshed at 6pm. Sure it may not handle like a Boxster but I'm sure I'll have a bigger smile on my face than the Boxster driver.

 

That's not right. It's far too slow - I'd say you might have a lemon on your hands.

 

I'm surprised at your performance experiences. OK, we know they're not uber fast but I reckon something must be wrong.

@ Mikeyw. Diesel GT drivers are not in a position to throw stones

Seriously, correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the Brera 2.4 faster 0-62 than a Diesel GT (in standard spec)

Whatever, across country, a GT (even a 3.2 Q2 like ours) would really struggle to keep up with the more modern machinery

 

So am I I never expected the Brera to be blistering (I have come to it from recent ownership of an Integrale Evo II) but have been surprised at how hard it is to make an impression on even quite mundane machinery.

VAG group products won't smoke the Brera, but do not seem phased by it performance wise (be this A3, Golf, some A4's and Passats, but less so in the latter cases, obviously).

I know these things are not scientific, but my "gut feeling" over the first few thousand is that it's not quick enough. I would like to try another Brera to compare it - I might try a test drive somewhen.

What Car quote the 140bhp Golf GT at 9.3 seconds 0-60 and the 2.4 JTDM Brera at 7.9 (for the 210, so a bit more for mine). Interestingly, they put the Brera's weight at 1,600 kg's and the Golf at 1,423 kg's so the on-paper power to weight would be 98 bhp / tonne for the Golf and 125 bhp / tonne for the Brera if my quick sums were right.

 

I'm not so sure it is broken. Some of the Ssangyongs have Merc 3 litre CDI engies and when they first came out a lot of the motoring press were saying how surprisingly fast they were. They have bags of torque and would be quicker than you imagine for such a god awful car.

@Mikeyw - I see the constructive comments are still flowing thick and fast. Haven't you got fed up of sniping in the Brera lounge yet mate ?

Ah, that would certainly explain it. Quite apart from it beating the Brera, it seemed genuinely quick, pulling away with ease and leaving the rest of the traffic waaaay behind. An interesting little "duel"!

 

In What Car the fastest Zyanger is only 10.5 to 60 so it probably had been rempapped.....either that or your car is seriously ill.

 

Seriously though I thought that the 2.4JTDm had about 200bhp (similar to my remapped 10v) ... your brera should be one of the fastest cars on the road ...

 

I am not saying it should be the quickest car on the road - I fully appreciate that there's loads out there that is quicker.

All I'm saying is that I thought the Brera would be a bit quicker than it is, not the quickest.

 

sounds as if your cars poorly sick.

i've got a 2.4 q4 sportwagon (heavy!) and it keeps up with new shape audi tt petrol turbos from a gentle rolling start - so it aint slow - and that isnt remapped.

ok so not the fastest thing around but not slow.

go and test drive a demo car to compare then take it back to the dealer?

if its sick a remap isnt what it needs right now!

 

The 2.4 Brera should do 0-60mph in 7.9 - that's reasonably quick so it sounds like there must be something seriously wrong with your car.

I think the 1.9 150bho GT does 0-60mph in about 9.6

 

Or 8.0 in revised form

 

I'm not so sure it is broken. Some of the Ssangyongs have Merc 3 litre CDI engies and when they first came out a lot of the motoring press were saying how surprisingly fast they were. They have bags of torque and would be quicker than you imagine for such a god awful car.

@Mikeyw - I see the constructive comments are still flowing thick and fast. Haven't you got fed up of sniping in the Brera lounge yet mate ?

Err it's quite hard to be constructive Brera is getting outgunned by 4x4's now :lol:

Alfa's are just too heavy nowadays...leave the big heavy cruisers to Mercedes...Alfa is about sporting pedigree a fact lost on the more modern releases.

 

Err it's quite hard to be constructive Brera is getting outgunned by 4x4's now :lol:

This type of **** from you is really getting very boring now

How many other people on this forum do you see constantly going into the lounges of models they don't own and slagging them off/making derogatory comments about them !!

Your behaviour could be interpreted as baiting which is big and isn't clever and is also against forum rules

Time to give it a ****ing rest now :tut:

 

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Quickest singsongdoodah is the Rexton at 11.6 for 0-62 according to their website.
2.4 Brera is 7.9

 

JTDs are not always the quickest off the line, as you tend to use 1st gear up very quickly, but even so it does sound like your car is poorly ZX7. Either that or you are driving like a Granny.

If you do need to launch it in a hurry make sure you have about 2000 on the clock to get the boost up and plonk you in the torque. Get ready to grab second quickly!

 

I've just switched from a 1.8 (225bhp) audi tt to a 2.2 Brera S.The brere is definatley slower. I wouldnt say it was a slow car but is a tiny bit dissapointing. I'm hoping the engine will release a few more ponies when it has a few more miles on it. I'm not overly concerend as it fast enough to get me banned

 

I've just switched from a 1.8 (225bhp) audi tt to a 2.2 Brera S.The brere is definatley slower.

Well it will be! You're 40 bhp down and have got a heavier car.
:lol:

Don't worry though, they need a lot of miles to loosen up - enjoy it!
:thumbs:

 

I've just picked up on this post by X7R and it’s an interesting post that I think I can assist on. The week before collecting my Brera 2.4JTD I had a Golf TDi 140 hire car for one week. Although the Golf had a willing and capable engine it nowhere near matched the acceleration of the Brera. The Golf with a 4 cylinder engine had a louder tractor rumble than the smooth 5 pot Brera, so perhaps it gives the impression that its moving faster?

Both the Golf and Brera suffer from the diesel characteristic of going nowhere in 1st gear and you need +2000revs for a quick getaway (as mentioned by someone earlier).

If I was you I would take another Brera for a spin to see if there is a difference. Be interesting to know what the outcome is.

 

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I think I am going to put the car on a rolling road and also I am seriously considering the P-Box (Alfa Romeo Tuning UK - Auto Lusso - Tuning and aftermarket add-ons for your Alfa Romeo) from AutoLusso. I know there are other approaches, but the warranty does attract me...

To be honest, I'd stay as far away as possible from such 'addon' things. Go to a respectable tuner and get a proper remap...

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The first Ssangyong to these shores was a dreadful looking 4x4 called the Musson which was fitted with a Merc 3.2 litre CDI engine.

Max power was 220BHP

Torque was 307NM

0-60 a surprsingly rapid 8.5 seconds

I remember at the time they came out reading testers saying how surprisingly rapid they were.

RSK

Not rly a surprise, I think they used paper instead of metal to build them if you look at the crash-tests...

 

Not rly a surprise, I think they used paper instead of metal to build them if you look at the crash-tests...

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Iss that the same paper that Kia used to build the Sedona

 

I've driven all versions of the modern Alfa engines and to be honest if you are looking for performance forget it, you won't find it in a modern day Alfa, its as simple as that.

If you cant' accept the above then your kidding yourselves, Alfa's are no longer performance cars.

What you are getting is style and a certain amount of individuality, but that is it.

I'm not moaning about the performance I'm just telling the truth as it is in comparison to the competition and lower cars that you wouldn't even class as competition.

 

I too am not moaning about the performance - and I certainly agree about the style and individuality of the car / brand. For me it's probably more important anyway!

I think the issue is that my "seat of the pants" dyno was expecting a bit more "grunt" from the car, and it's just not there.

Time to start some scientific investigation...

 

I've been wondering whether to post this for a while, but after being comprehensively beaten away from the lights by a SsangYong 4x4 today, I felt moved to type!

For a while, I have been suspicious that the Brera 2.4 JTDM really is not that quick. In fact, I might even go as far as to say my car is really quite slow.
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I'm absolutely positive there's something wrong with your Brera. I regularly trounce Golf TDI's and generally feel that the car is easily quick enough. It is all down to how you drive it though. My first diesel was my last car and it took me ages to get used to the gearing, but once I did and was able to anticipate gear changes properly, the thing flew!

/2p

 

That's a fair point, but we own a Golf TDi and so I've been used to driving that for the last couple of years, and it's relatively quick. I've also driven diesels extensively in the past, but yes, the majority of my cars to date have been quite powerful petrol-engined (e.g. Saab Aero, Lancia Integrale, Golf GTi etc).

I will get the car on a rolling road - bestto start from a base point I guess, and then if it's on or around the power output it should be, I might consider a re-map. If not, I'll consider the options.

 

Forget it .

 

It's the way you post them Moving on, the Ti is a great car. Sure, it could be even better but then it'd be boring

 

Having owned a 986S I can you tell you that the Brera is a nicer car for long motroway trips and commuting to work. But in any other situation it is a better car than any Alfa, including the 8C in the twisties. Of course the 911 is the Porsche to have, but the Boxster has better balance with its mid-engine RWD. But...the q4 gives better grip on the exit from corners. Or alternatively, the box needs more skill.

 

I have a Steinbauer P-box and it works very well, it doesn't affect warranty and can easily be taken out whenever you want to anyway. It's literally a 2 minute job.

 

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