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Spider Power Window Regulator

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#1 ·
The cable on my 86 Spider Veloce power window regulator broke right where it runs through the winder drum. Replacement regulators complete with motor are available but I like to repair the cheapest way possible and don't really need a new motor. After determining that 1/16" cable, available from most local hardware stores was about the same as OEM cable, I carefully removed the old cable and replaced it with new cable, swedging the ends where they go through the winder drum per original using commercially available cable stops. Unfortunately, I am stuck because I don't know how to properly route the cable and how to take up the slack for proper tension. I could remove my door panel with the good mechanism and duplicate it but hate to disturb that trim panel. I have a repro shop manual from IAP but the detailed window regulator diagram is for a manual regulator and the power regulator diagram doesn't adequately show the routing of the cable or give many hints how to reinstall the regulator. My problem now is figuring out the routing of the new cable. The IAP shop manual diagram appears to have an extra cable run pictured than is not possible with the pulleys available on my 86 (2 upper front & rear & 2 lower at each end of the bottom window track). Then too there is the problem of getting the cable rewound onto the spool so the cable has the proper tension and will not spool off the winder spool when it turns. I'd appreciate it if anyone has a detailed diagram of a Spider power window regulator installation showing all the pulleys and pivot/attachment points and has any tips on how to get the cable rewound and tensioned properly.:confused:
 
#3 ·
Thanks. I have this diagram but it is for the manual window regulator. The power window regulator setup only has two pulleys top and bottom and, of course, the cable is routed around the windlass drum that is operated by the electric motor. It's the routing and particularly the threading around the drum that is a my dilemma.
 
#4 ·
Update - I believe I figured out the proper routing for the cable although the diagram in the Alfa shop manual under the power window heading is identical to the diagram shown next under the manual window regulator and has more pulleys than my 86 power window regulator setup. I measured the old OEM cable and cut my new cable to that length but installing the new cable with nothing spooled on the windlass drum results in way too much slack in the cable. Without detailed instructions I reasoned that there must be a prescribed number of prewindings on the spool so that when the cable is routed properly it has the proper tension. What I don't know is how many windings to make and whether those all should be one end or the other or some combination. It seems that the ideal end state would be that neither the upper or lower end of the cable on the drum should ever come to the very end, else over time metal fatigue would result in bending the cable ends where they pass through the holes in the spool causing them to eventually break like mine did when I got into this mess. Does anyone know how many prewinds to make on the spool so as to end up with the proper installation of the regulator cable?
 
#5 ·
Having had a wire cable birds nest of an issue on my 1984 Spider Veloce, and countless hours of frustrating almost got it, and then the wire cable goes nuts and goes every way but where I want it, repeat,repeat,repeat, I made a too tool to make this problem solve easily.
First I've got the wire cable transmission spool in hand and have the cable wound in 2 directions, evenly spaced and ready to slip into the transmission housing / electric motor assembly, when suddenly it all unwinds and turns into a birds nest once again.
After repeating this multi times, I concluded there is a better way.
Went to the hardware store's plumbing aisle, and spent $3 on a universal, copper, sink down tube to the S trap .
From this I hacksawed a 4 inch long 3/4 inch wide section that looks like the letter C.
I also had ready 2 zip ties.
Back to the Alfa door, and spool in hand once again did the windings in 2 directions, carefully balanced and even distribution of the wire on the spool, and before trying to sneak the spool back into it's transmission / motor housing, I slip the copper C clamp around the spool and secure it, and the double cables, onto the spool with the 2 zip ties, and trim the zip ties to length.
Tada !
A stable assembly that I can now leisurely slip into the transmission / motor without it flying apart !
I then routed the cable in the zig-zaggy way it has to be, and when all looks reasonable, I cut the zip ties off and voila , ready for 12v DC to the motor.
A little adjustment of the pullies and Jeb's a millionaire !
You are very welcome.
Don Jamieson,
Duncan,
Vancouver Island,
B.C.,
Canada.
 

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