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My previous Giulia a Veloce averaged about 28 mpg same engine as yours but smaller car hence slightly better MPG.
The QV is an amazing all rounder, everyone knows about its top end performance but what it also does really well is the every day stuff.
Being able to run on 3 cylinders helps.
Is 28mpg really what you would expect on a Giulia 280 Veloce?

I easily get 30mpg on my 3 litre bimmer.

I guess smaller, engine means it works harder and uses more fuel that way.
 
Is 28mpg really what you would expect on a Giulia 280 Veloce?

I easily get 30mpg on my 3 litre bimmer.

I guess smaller, engine means it works harder and uses more fuel that way.
Its an average I never reset the trip as I'm not really interested in MPG but it's displayed on the dash anyway. It has more to do with type of driving and where you live. I'm in a relatively built up area always crawling in traffic at sub 10mph to and from home, a killer for average MPG. On a motorway at 70mph the Giulia Veloce would get into the 40s .
 
Its an average I never reset the trip as I'm not really interested in MPG but it's displayed on the dash anyway. It has more to do with type of driving and where you live. I'm in a relatively built up area always crawling in traffic at sub 10mph to and from home, a killer for average MPG. On a motorway at 70mph the Giulia Veloce would get into the 40s .
That sounds similar to my driving as well. Motorways easily 40mpg plus when driven legally (Ahem)
 
My Wife uses a Volvo XC40 PHEV, and that only has a range of 28 miles using electric only.

However, as she only works 2 1/2 miles from home and only 4 days a week, she can do her complete weekly commute without having to use any petrol, only on longer journeys does she use any.

I keep a spreadsheet of our fuel consumption for all the vehicles we've owned, and her Volvo has averaged 64.7mpg over the last 5500 miles, compared to my 29.8mpg over 9000 miles in my 280 Giulia.

A PHEV can only really be economical if it is used within its range and plugged in as necessary.
If she's using electric mode more than the petrol engine, I hope you're not putting E10 in the tank 🤣

I can remember speaking to a mechanic at my local Kia dealer who had an Optima PHEV in the workshop with engine running problems. Turned out the chap who had it mostly ran it on battery power. At 2 years old, it still had the fuel in the tank that they'd filled it with when it was brand new 😳 No wonder it wouldn't run for toffee 😂
 
Let's just be clear: modern cars are rubbish. Collision "avoidance" (creation) systems, speed limit warnings, steer-you-into-the-ditch modes advertised as "lane keep assist", the list goes on. So many things you need to turn off in a modern car to make it safe to drive and you have to turn them off every time you start it.

I was given a 2023 Qashqai hybrid last year when my Volvo was getting collision damage fixed (another driver changed lanes into me without indicating or checking his mirrors). Every time I drove that Qashqai, it gave me depression.

EVs are another stage of dreary entirely. No noises, no sensation, no driver engagement. I've driven a handful of different EVs: Renault ZOE, Vauxhall e-Vivaro, Citroen e-Berlingo, Kia Niro, Citroen e-C4. They're all as dull as ditchwater to drive plus, being moderns, they have all the unnecessary crap that you need to turn off before you drive anywhere.

My 2017 V40 is as new as I'll go. Unfortunately, it does have the city safety collision avoidance drawback, but everything else about it is great: it's an LEZ compliant diesel that doesn't use AdBlue, it's free VED (£20 from April thanks to the Tories), it's got a mechanical handbrake, manual gearbox... It even has a spare wheel (well used, unfortunately 😞)
 
27mpg?

That's about the same as a Giulia QV isn't it?
Not mine, i avg about 19 but it’s all suburbs and errand running in N or D and if in the country where I can push then in D or A.
A 4 exit commute on a 6 lane divided highway is in N or A
 
US gallons are "light".


US gal = 3.78l
Full Measure gal = 4.54l
Thank you so much! And in 70 years I have never had the occasion to investigate the size of a full measure gallon.

i am without QV this weekend, it is at the dealer having its mysterious rear end clunk for right turns at low speed investigated, and it’s not the sway bar end links 🤷‍♂️
 
Much as it galls me to admit, the US pint (and gallon) make much more sense than the UK edition. A pound in weight is sixteen ounces, so why can't a pint in volume be sixteen fluid ounces as it is over the pond? Instead it's 20 fluid ounces, and I won't believe that's purely so we can have the rhyme 'a pint of fresh water weighs a pound and a quarter'.
 
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US gallons are "light".


US gal = 3.78l
Full Measure gal = 4.54l
Similar thing used to be quoted engine output. The US system was SAE and in Europe it was DIN. That was before US smog regulations strangled so many V8 engines to below 200bhp!

I got fed up with people who couldn't comprehend the different standardised test conditions.
 
My 2017 V40 is as new as I'll go. Unfortunately, it does have the city safety collision avoidance drawback,
That tech saved the rear of my 190 once. The new SUV Volvo driver closing in behind me was looking to his right having not noticed I’d stopped in front of him (I could see this in my rear view); just as I was about to honk in the hope I’d get his attention, he jumped up like someone had just poured hot water in his lap, and the Volvo came to a complete halt. I’m rather grateful his car had that tech, tbh.
 
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Much as it galls me to admit, the US pint (and gallon) make much more sense than the UK edition. A pound in weight is sixteen ounces, so why can't a pint in volume be sixteen fluid ounces as it is over the pond? Instead it's 20 fluid ounces, and I won't believe that's purely so we can have the rhyme 'a pint of fresh water weighs a pound and a quarter'.
Weight is a force which isn't constant. In that context, the insanity is sensible.
Mass is an amount, unless you're Catholic.
 
In the Ford range, the Vignale is the top spec. It isn't hampered with a potentially unreliable wet belt Ecoboost and something with more power was needed. Having a larger engine does away with the need for a turbo and associated plumbing. The 170PS output is modest for the size because it uses the Miller rather than the Otto combustion cycle. All that means is that the inlet valves close very late to reduce the combustion ratio and hence output. The idea was increased efficiency due to reduced pumping losses. Many people who should know better have mentioned the Mazda derived engine uses an Atkinson cycle. It does not as there is no extra con rod linkage. It is a Miller cycle.
That’s interesting, thanks Fruity. (y)
 
Similar thing used to be quoted engine output. The US system was SAE and in Europe it was DIN. That was before US smog regulations strangled so many V8 engines to below 200bhp!
There was also a big drop in published BHP figures when the US changed from SAE gross to SAE net.

Gross BHP was measured with no aircleaner, silencers, emission control system or belt-driven accessories & often with a non-standard exhaust manifold & often "improved" by the publicity department. SAE net measures power with the engine in more or less as-installed configuration.
 
Mass is an amount, unless you're Catholic.
Mass is a measure of a body's inertia, meaning resistance to chance of velocity when a net force is applied, as well as the strength of it's gravitational attraction to other bodies.

Mass used to be thought of as a amount of matter in a body until the discovery of atoms and different elementary particles such as Electrons, Neutrons and Protons. That then explained why different elements could have different masses despite occupying the same physical volume.
 
Much as it galls me to admit, the US pint (and gallon) make much more sense than the UK edition. A pound in weight is sixteen ounces, so why can't a pint in volume be sixteen fluid ounces as it is over the pond? Instead it's 20 fluid ounces, and I won't believe that's purely so we can have the rhyme 'a pint of fresh water weighs a pound and a quarter'.
A litre of water weighs a kilo like it oughta.
 
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