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Engine stalling / cut-out

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#1 ·
Hi boys and girls,
this is my first official post here :)
I've had my 3.0 V6 for about a year now with all the 'usual' small and not-so-small hiccups and malfunctions, including a failed timingbelt...
After that little financial disaster, the engine rebuild that is, I've now finally started upgrading her to 'new' condition!:thumbs:

Anyhow,
the problems at hand are as follows:

-when cold, the engine can run quite uneven at low rpms, giving a juddery ride

-when warm, the engine sometimes stalls/cuts-out when braking (clutch depressed) just before coming to a full stop. Also, the occurance of this increases if the car is turning at the same time, f.ex if braking down and turning to do a 90degree turn, like in citydriving.
Note that this only happens when the clutch is pressed in.

-when starting from cold, the idle rpm dips noticeably when turning the steeringwheel, to the extent that the instrument-lights 'dims' somewhat.

-after the rebuild, I have a feeling the belts doesn't sound as they should. I know this is vague, and I may be exaggerating, but they seem to make more noise than they should which leads me to think they're not trensioned properly.
Also, I believe the aux-belt drives the servo and dynamo; could this have to do with the above?
If I do a vid/audio of it, would anyone take the time to listen in and comment?:p

Some supporting info:
-Engine does about 1100rpm idle when cold.
-Engine does about 750rpm idle when warm.
-I have an exhaust leak in the flexis (soon to be fixed).
-I suspect the thermostat isn't working (soon to be fixed).
-Engine feels sluggish up to about 3000rpm, above that it feels fine, probably has to do with the exhaustleak?

Any takers on these issues?
I've had some horrifying experiences with the engine cutting out in the worst of circumstances, and with servo and brakes gone it's been some near-hits recently so I've got to get this fixed asap.

Any and all help greatly appreciated!!!!:)

Thanks!
@Veloce
 
#2 ·
I've got a 2.0 T.S. but had the same problems with the engine cutting out at junctions - ended up slowing the car with the gears and clutch to push the revs up and stop it stalling.

Anyway - after reading a few threads I've replaced the crank sensor on mine. So far it hasn't stalled (but it has only been in for a couple of days) - the revs still drop at a junction, but no cut out.

Cheapest place I found was Car Exhausts, Exhaust Systems, Car Parts & Discount Exhaust Parts - mine cost just over ÂŁ20 + Vat, but they rip you off with ÂŁ10 courier delivery - for something that would easily fit in a Jiffy Bag!

Also the sensor they supplied was slightly too big for the hole (and I phoned them to check it was the right one)! Rather than go through the hassle of sending it back I sanded mine down until it fitted.
 
#4 ·
My 2.0 TS currently has the same issue, unfortunately for me it is intermittent.
The car can go for a week with no issues, then spend a couple of days cutting out exactly as you described.
Bloody dangerous at junctions with the loss of power steering and so on, so I took mine to the garage.

They diagnosed the "Idle Control Valve", they replaced it, plus a reset/relearn. This didn't cure it.... so a bit of a waste of ÂŁ230.

Had it back to them last week, but unfortunately the car was behaving itself that day... so they couldn't find anything wrong with it.

I'd be interested to see what the final cure is, because with it not storing an error, replacing parts at random will work out very expensive.
 
#5 ·
had similar problems on my 155. Never really got it sorted before I stacked it, but cleaning then replacing the idle control valve, changing the Airflow meter and a new Lambda didn't sort it.

Next on my list was new sparkplugs which I was told could be the problem.

BTW, ÂŁ230 for an idle valve sounds extortionate!
 
#9 · (Edited)
Thanks to all of you for replying!
I did a thourough check of the intake today, engine running, and when wiggling the intake hose around, I was able to almost stall it manually...
The previous owner ditched the airbox, so it's basically just a longer intake pipe with an open filter on the end now. And this is 'fastened' by a piece of string to the bracket over the throttlebody.
I'll replace this monstrocity with a BMC CDA system when funds allow, hopefully that'll cure some problems.

@Pud:
It was done by a reputable Alfa specialist here in Norway.

I'll try and post a youtube of the engine running.


Here's the Youtube video of my engine running!
 
#15 ·
Cutting out

I have a similar problem on my 2.0 spider. When it first happened I replaced the air filter and that seemed to help for about 3-4 months then it happened again fairly often and usually slowing on a corner. I have just replaced the Lambda sensor and althouth the revs don't bounce around as much it still cuts out but it is a bit better but definitely not cured. I thought about the spark plugs but as it runs brilliantly apart from cutting out when slowing I don't think its the plugs or it would be misfiring. Given the range of parts which we have all collectively replaced it does appear a mystery?

Austin
 
#16 ·
Having been searching for similar threads on the site I came accross one that was recommended removing the air intake pipe at the throttle control air flow and using carb cleaner to clear off the tar etc. from the butterfly which needs to be held open manually....I tried this out spraying liberal amounts of cleaner into the system. Took the car out and it seems fine...no cutting out and no bouncing rev counter....didn't zero once. It actually felt reliable when slowing for the first time in ages...fingers crossed it lasts..try it out if you have a similar problem only takes 15 minutes and its cheap!
 
#17 · (Edited)
I had the stalling cutting out problem when slowing and at idle. Took car to couple of alfa specialists who did diagnostics checks.

One claimed MAF the other said Lambda. Had both items replaced but problem remained!!

Tried the carb cleaner on throttle body butterfly however when removing rubber concertina pipe from throttle body to plastic resonator tube found big splits between the concertina rings (can't see very easily when pipe is fitted but very visible when removed).

I wrapped pvc electrical tape around as temporary fix. Running problem was instantly cured! I left tape on for quite sometime (forgot about it after a while). Eventually tape also split and problem returned - re-application of tape cured it again.

The running problem (cutting out/erratic tickover) varies in severity due to movement of engine when braking/slowing, turning etc. Splits in pipe open and close accordingly. That's why problem rarely occurs at speed.

This piece of hose is poor design it flexes and fatigues prematurely due to engines natural movement (is too short).
Replacement pipe (only available from alfa) cost ÂŁ75ish+vat and only comes with plastic resonator box (not needed). I've now fitted alloy and silicone hose items at cost of ÂŁ50 (replaced/got rid of resonator box altogether).
 
#18 ·
I have just been to an alfa specialist to get a view on what could be wrong with it. They hooked it up to the diagnostics machine and recon its the Lambda sensor so I am going to have that changed along with a service. They also checked the intake pipes which appeared to have no cracks.

Like I said earlier it failed the MOT on emmisions so I hope this solves the problem. I've already spent ÂŁ600 trying to get it through the MOT! Alfa's are expensive :S
 
#19 ·
Yep that's just what they told me too diagnostics machine read lambda and mechanic said could see no splits in the pipe. I actually had two Lambda's fitted because the next garage I took it to said same. When I pointed out I'd already had new one fitted recently they said it could be faulty or messed up with cheap supermarket fuel (mmmmm??) but gave benefit of doubt. When still did not cure problem they did refit old Lambda and fitted new MAF which improved running slightly for a while (in reality probably just moved the intake pipe and closed the split a little when fitting the MAF).
As mentioned above it's very difficult to see splits in pipe when it's fitted because concertina sections are squashed/compressed together. You need to remove this completely and bend open to check down in bottom of crevices.
I'm not saying your problem isn't Lambda - it could well be but your symptons are very similar to mine. Also worth noting many diagnostics equipment are quite crude with their readings (not that accurate to specific components) typically excessive weak or rich mixtures are diagnosed as Lambda or MAF faults when in fact it could be leaking pipe. My advise is remove the intake pipe (that attaches to throttle body) and give it a good check just to be sure before forking out on new lambda's MAF's etc

Hope you get it sorted soon without too much more expense - Let us know how you get on and if new Lambda cures the problem
 
#22 ·
I don't normally believe in the usual run of 'snake oils', but when the runabout Skoda I have started doing this I changed plugs etc. and finally in desperation used Wynns injector cleaner and within 5 miles it had worked its magic! Perhaps a pure coincidence, but then I checked with the former owner and he had the same problem every two years and had come up with the same answer which he claimed worked every time. Worth a try.
 
#23 ·
John 876 do try the carb cleaner solution, my 2.0 litre was doing the same as yours but changing the lambda sensor made little difference. Its probably something to do with 'clean air' as, when I changed the air filter it was fine for about 3-4 months then started cutting out again. I used carb cleaner 2 days ago and its the first time in ages it hasn't cut out when slowing. I think the crap builds on the butterfly air intake and richens the mixture. A can of cleaner is only about ÂŁ5 and the job is simple 15 minutes.
 
#24 ·
Hi, I checked all my intake pipes yesterday and no cracks in any although they are wearing. I then tried the carb cleaner which so far has worked a treat. I drove it to work and back lastnight and didn't stall once. I'm going to change the air/oil filters on sunday and give it a full oil change. Hopefully this will help aswell.

Thanks for the help.