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Hi all,

I'm about to sell my Brera. I'll use the classifieds here and run an Ebay auction. Will you critique my advert for me please? Is there anything you would want to know about that I've not included? I've read it back and I know it sounds pompous but I've tried to say everything I would want to ask!

Do you know anyone who may be interested in buying it?

Finally, what about price? I'm thinking around £2650. Too low? Too high? I've had good luck just letting auctions run in the past so I'm temped to do the same with Ebay. I'll post some pictures tomorrow when I can get them off my camera.

Many thanks in advance :beer:

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2006 Alfa Romeo Brera 2.2 SV, Silver, black interior, 18” alloys


129,000 miles, 7 former owners, very well maintained, 12 Months MOT, full service history, last (stamped) service was at 122,080 miles (but I also changed the oil & filter at 127,861)
I think that it still looks very smart and it is a pleasure to drive.

Me: I have owned this particular car for two and a half years and I have owned Alfa Romeos continuously for the last 12 years. I’m selling it because I live close to work and have a new family and we are trying to cut back to one car. I am determined to cycle to work and not being able to just jump in a car should help me keep my resolve through the winter. Looking back, I’m only covering about 2000 miles a year.

Recent work: Following an MOT advisory for a rusty, but apparently serviceable subframe last year I took it down to Autolusso in Dunstable for a health check and asked them to sort out any problems they found. The result was three very common Brera problems found and fixed:

1. Subframe was actually holed, but this couldn’t been seen by the MOT tester because the undertray hid it. Solution: One of their reconditioned subframes fitted
2. Front lower wishbone bushes marginal. Solution: upgraded to Autolusso’s polybushes (along with a new wishbone and a 4 wheel alignment)
3. Engine code for timing chain stretch. New chain kit, including variators fitted. The front crank seal was changed at the same time, eliminating a slight oil leak. It already previously had both timing solenoids swapped out.

Mechanical: Early on in my ownership it had a difficult to diagnose problem with the battery cutout switch which led to the battery not being charged. This was not technically fixed by the supplying dealer under warranty, but credit to them, they did swap in a new battery, new starter motor and new coil pack trying to sort it out. The new part cost me £20 and ten minutes to fit once I had worked out what the problem was.
Unfortunately, it didn’t come with many receipts, but I did find one for a new driveshaft, fitted by specialists Monza Sport Tuning, tucked into the spare wheel well. The service book is stamped up to date and follows the Alfa-Romeo servicing schedule.

It has both keys.

The clutch is light and engages at the right place. I can’t detect any problems with the (M32) gearbox – it changes beautifully, doesn’t whine in any gear and the lever doesn’t rock going on and off the power. It handles well; there are no noises from the suspension. There are no engine lights, it does not smoke and it pulls well in all rev ranges. I’m not a qualified mechanic but to me, all this suggests that it is mechanically healthy. I’m very happy for the new owner to put it through any inspection they like for their own peace of mind.

The automatic climate control blows cold in summer, warm in winter and senses when to de-fog the front screen.

It has a full MOT but like any second hand car there are a few niggles left to sort out:

During a long trip in the summer, the external temperature sensor in the wing mirror started reporting that it was -15 and putting on the ice warning chime. It also stopped the air con from working so I snipped the wires. This put the air con back on but blanked the temperature display on the dash.
It has a full MOT.

There is a current MOT advisory for a nick out of the sidewall of one of the front tyres. Embarrassingly, this is the same unfixed advisory from the year before but I kept prevaricating about which tyres to get, when to get them and whether to do it all together with a wheel refurb. Oh, the wheels could do with a refurbishment but probably worth it because original 18” Alfa cross spokes are very expensive!

There is a current advisory for the hand brake being a bit weak so I assume that the mechanism will need a strip down and clean up next service.

The advisories last year were for: rusty sub frame (now replaced), engine oil leak (now fixed with new crank seal) and a nick out of one front tyre sidewall. There were no advisories the year before.

Remember, I’m trying to cut down to just one car so a swap, however interesting, won’t happen!

If you have any questions please ask and it goes without saying you are very welcome to come and look for yourself.
 

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My honest opinion is its far to long, although people want an honest and accurate discription of the car keep it more brief then hopefully when someone comes to view that's the time to go into details of how meticulous you have been in looking after and maintaining it to a very high standard.
Of coarse you might get someone on hear looking for one many people ljoin a forum before buying a car hoping to find a car from a dedicated enthusiast in which case happy days.
 

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Thanks, Mr C. Yes I think you are right. I want to provide enough detail but even I am cringing when I read it! I'll give it some thought over the next couple of days.
 

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Sounds like you've looked after it and to the benefit of the next owner. List the benefit of each issue being sorted and where it's been attended to. Otherwise it could be offputting! Good luck.
 

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Do you mean something like "all common weak points have recently been addressed so there should be no major expenses on the horizon"?

Yes, I can see how it reads like it could be a money pit rather than well looked after!

Thanks, much appreciated.
 

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I've edited it down to what I think still contains all the salient points, but much more briefly. It could be edited down even more, but this still leaves a bit of the personal touch in there.


2006 Alfa Romeo Brera 2.2 SV, Silver, black interior, 18” alloys


129,000 miles, 7 former owners, very well maintained, 12 Months MOT, full service history, last (stamped) service was at 122,080 miles (but I also changed the oil & filter at 127,861)
This car still looks better than any new convertible out there and it is a pleasure to drive.

I’m selling because I am trying to cut back to one car, so not interested in a swap.

Car has a reconditioned front subframe recently fitted, polybushed lower wishbones, new timing chain including variators and solenoids, new crank seal. Both keys.
The clutch is light and engages at the right place. The automatic climate control works as it should. The M32 changes beautifully, doesn’t whine in any gear and the lever doesn’t rock going on and off the power. It handles well; there are no noises from the suspension. There are no engine lights, it does not smoke and it pulls well in all rev ranges. I’m very happy for the new owner to put it through any inspection they like for their own peace of mind.

It has a full MOT but like any second hand car there are a few niggles left to sort out:
During a long trip in the summer, the external temperature sensor in the wing mirror started reporting that it was -15 degrees. This stopped the air conditioner from working so I snipped the sensor wires. This allowed the air conditioner to work again, but blanked the temperature display on the dash.
There is a current MOT advisory for a nick out of the sidewall of one of the front tyres.
There is a current advisory for the hand brake being a bit weak so I assume that the mechanism will need a strip down and clean up next service.

If you have any questions please ask and it goes without saying you are very welcome to come and look for yourself.
 

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I think the statement about a recon front subframe doesn't sound good,it would put me off.
When I bought my Spider I didn't know there were any problems with the subframe rusting if they have done there homework and say they have heard some can suffer with rusting sub frames you have the perfect answer. I also would drop the 7 previous owners yes it's there for them to see on the logbook so your not hiding anything.
Your add shouldn't put people off before they have had chance to view the car, you haven't mentioned any receipts if you have them that is always worth a mention
 

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Subframe's are are doing my nut in at the mo, I'm desperate for a reconditioned or a new cheapish one if recons arnt available. Horrible job
 

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Giorget - Wow, thank you! That sounds much better!

Mr C, unfortunately I only have my own receipts for the last 18 months. You can guess how much they add up to!

Dan, have you tried Autolusso? They had about half a dozen reconditioned subframes in stock last year. They had a new one as well for about £1K if I remember correctly. Given the work involved in getting hold of one, transporting it to the right place, blasting and reconditioning it I thought it was decent value at £500 + fitting. Having seen my old one off the car, I'm pretty sure they can't be effectively reconditioned without removal. There are just too many bits you cant reach.

I really appreciate all the help :beer:
 

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Bullet points on all the good work you have done and who carried out the repairs?
Drop or change reason for selling to "Good reason for sale" people may think why your not selling the other car or just don't mention it as people will always ask?
It reads as if your mentioning things people know about as known issues, hence just bullet points of actual work done and mention receipts?
List its service history, mileage & dates?
Advisory on MOT can be discussed when people view, would put me off a little as I'd think what else is wrong with it?
People get put off reading a story, get to the point.
 

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Giorget - Wow, thank you! That sounds much better!

Mr C, unfortunately I only have my own receipts for the last 18 months. You can guess how much they add up to!

Dan, have you tried Autolusso? They had about half a dozen reconditioned subframes in stock last year. They had a new one as well for about £1K if I remember correctly. Given the work involved in getting hold of one, transporting it to the right place, blasting and reconditioning it I thought it was decent value at £500 + fitting. Having seen my old one off the car, I'm pretty sure they can't be effectively reconditioned without removal. There are just too many bits you cant reach.

I really appreciate all the help
Yes , with no luck. When they have any it'll be 500 quid + vat, anyway

All the best selling yours , if cry too hard if I had to sell anothet alfa
 

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Yes , with no luck. When they have any it'll be 500 quid + vat, anyway

All the best selling yours , if cry too hard if I had to sell anothet alfa
The sub frame is a real issue, we can't get enough good second hand ones as they have all got the same issue

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The sub frame is a real issue, we can't get enough good second hand ones as they have all got the same issue

Ned[/QUOTE]

I realise this yeah, just my luck though that ones not avail now, there's a couple on eBay but only for the v6. Just looks too much to weld up
 

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I'd get rid of 7 owners, that would concern me. Try and keep to positives and anything major (like the temp light)
 

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I've edited it down to what I think still contains all the salient points, but much more briefly. It could be edited down even more, but this still leaves a bit of the personal touch in there.


2006 Alfa Romeo Brera 2.2 SV, Silver, black interior, 18” alloys


129,000 miles, 7 former owners, very well maintained, 12 Months MOT, full service history, last (stamped) service was at 122,080 miles (but I also changed the oil & filter at 127,861)
This car still looks better than any new convertible out there and it is a pleasure to drive.

I’m selling because I am trying to cut back to one car, so not interested in a swap.

Car has a reconditioned front subframe recently fitted, polybushed lower wishbones, new timing chain including variators and solenoids, new crank seal. Both keys.
The clutch is light and engages at the right place. The automatic climate control works as it should. The M32 changes beautifully, doesn’t whine in any gear and the lever doesn’t rock going on and off the power. It handles well; there are no noises from the suspension. There are no engine lights, it does not smoke and it pulls well in all rev ranges. I’m very happy for the new owner to put it through any inspection they like for their own peace of mind.

It has a full MOT but like any second hand car there are a few niggles left to sort out:
During a long trip in the summer, the external temperature sensor in the wing mirror started reporting that it was -15 degrees. This stopped the air conditioner from working so I snipped the sensor wires. This allowed the air conditioner to work again, but blanked the temperature display on the dash.
There is a current MOT advisory for a nick out of the sidewall of one of the front tyres.
There is a current advisory for the hand brake being a bit weak so I assume that the mechanism will need a strip down and clean up next service.

If you have any questions please ask and it goes without saying you are very welcome to come and look for yourself.
''Black interior''? If it's leather, state that, or one assumes it's cloth;
as giblets46, drop the ''7 former keepers'' - that isn't going to help you sell it;
''This car still looks better than any new convertible'' I'm not sure what a ''convertible'' has got to do with selling a Brera?
Otherwise the edited version seems fine - I for one just couldn't be bothered reading the original, it was way, way too long.
Good luck.
 

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I'd get rid of 7 owners, that would concern me. Try and keep to positives and anything major (like the temp light)
Not the temperature light, just the display telling me the air temperature outside of the car. Temperature (both oil and water) gauges work perfectly! Pretty minor really. I'll take a picture of the dash with the engine running, that should explain things.

Yep I agree with you Lussoman, state leather, drop the 7 owners initially.

I'm in two minds about the subframe now. It could off a non-knowledgeable buyer but would be a good selling point for an enthusiast. Decisions!

Thanks one and all, some really good advice here. You rock!

Oh, and it looks like this btw:
 

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Oh, I notice now it's a Brera and not a Brera Spider. I, for some reason, thought it was a Spider and inserted the word "convertible" into the ad - obviously it doesn't make sense.
 

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Oh, and it looks like this btw:
Nice looking car Rewe; a great colour for showing off those curves.
And the 18'' 'wire-spoke design' alloys look the business.
 
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Not for me, I never touch them. The local hand car wash guys soon spruce them up!

Once again, thank you to everyone who has helped. I've taken all of your advice on board and put a classified ad on Ebay http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/162666841426?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 It feel like a real team AO effort.

I don't think I've over-priced it, but if that doesn't find a buyer I'll run it as a 99p start, no reserve auction and see what happens.

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