[Vana]

Hi all, posted this in the 147 section but just wante to post it here also so I can get a few more opinions (I don't know how to post the link). Last night hubby n I took a small drive and on our way to sandton heard a noise (like something falling out from under the car), the engine started to get rowdy and we stopped to see if we could see anything. We couldn't and so decided to take a chance and drive her back home, when travelling below 2000 revs, she sounded like a loud diesel, wanting to switch off but above that rev you could hardly pick up any noise, still gave a smooth drive and changed gears properly.

Anyways, going to have her towed tomorrow to the mechanic, he feels that it could be a bearing on the engine, whilst another member on the forum said he had experienced something similar and it was a bolt on the timing belt that had jumped out and went up into the belt. Another suggestion was that it is a lambda or maf sensor. Really hoping I am not looking at a damaged engine. What do you guys think is the most likely fault?

 

[ysman007]

Best to tow the car, in case the cambelt skipped a few teeth, or maybe a guide pulley fell out?
Maybe an engine mounting broke. Can be lots of things. Get it up onto a ramp and looked at.

Hope it's something simple. :thumbs:

 

[Guest]

Cam variator perhaps? Good though that you're having it towed to prevent any possible damage. Though, you did say that you were able to drive it home without incident. Hopefully, just a minor repair.

 

[Gertie]

Cam variator perhaps? Good though that you're having it towed to prevent any possible damage. Though, you did say that you were able to drive it home without incident. Hopefully, just a minor repair.

I am with this one - if you where able to drive back home and all seemed okish - no oil leak / overheating. The Cam variator is on the inlet Cam (back left top of engine) if you stand in front of car and have someone start the car and the noise comes for there - it is the variator. If the noise come from the bottom of the engine it is a big-end bearing in the crank that collapsed.

The latter happened to my 146 2.0 when I revved it high having used oil flush at last service and using castrol magnatec 10W40 "cooking" oil (as HG would say) - the combination is tooooooo thin oil.

 

[Vana]

Ok so this is what our Mech says, he needs to change the "bearing knock", valves, valves stem seals, cam tensioners, etc (please excuse my pronunciation as I am unfamiliar with these terms). All in all we are looking at about R16 000 to repair the car. This is not the way I planned to start my week!

Is this an engine rebuild? I couldn't get much information out of hubby as he was rushing off to work and in a bit of a mood. So unbelieve how it got checked two weeks ago and got an all clear from the mech, drove perfectly right up until that moment and then just died! I really thought that we would have seen clear signs of it dying before hand.

Open to suggestions or just comments that you guys might have.

 

[Gertie]

Ok so this is what our Mech says, he needs to change the "bearing knock", valves, valves stem seals, cam tensioners, etc

So it was the belt that slipped???
He mentioned both "bearing knock" and cam belt stuff - Or did he mentioned the "knock sensor" - that sense detonation (pinging). So all the work that needs to be done is in the engines head? R16k for a session at the shrink is a bit steep?? :lol: sorry, just trying to make light of the situation...

 

[Vana]

LOL! I am so lost in this technical jargon but when I speak to hubby will clarify if it was the belt that slipped. Also asked for a quote to be faxed to me and will give you guys the breakdown so that you may get an idea of what went down! Just imagine, if I bought a vw, I could have got myself a new engine for R5000 less all the driving pleasure I have had thus far with my girl. Mech says he is going to try to do the job as cheaply as possible.

 

[NICUS]

LOL! I am so lost in this technical jargon but when I speak to hubby will clarify if it was the belt that slipped. Also asked for a quote to be faxed to me and will give you guys the breakdown so that you may get an idea of what went down! Just imagine, if I bought a vw, I could have got myself a new engine for R5000 less all the driving pleasure I have had thus far with my girl. Mech says he is going to try to do the job as cheaply as possible.

Hi try japanauto.co.za for new second hand engine if you want to and if not expensive then just replace belts. Just suggestion though.

 

[scrgdk]

Honestly, from the things you've mentioned it sounds like he's trying to ride you guys. Telling you something in the bottom of the motor (Bearing knock is on the crank which is basically the "back bone" of a motor) and then quoting to fix the top of the motor. By replacing those thing's he'll only be redoing you head in affect, not the bottom where he says its need, that quote will do more justice thanks Vana. let us know once you have it please

 

[turbonutters]

Balancer belt failures seem to be common this season.
Apparently clutch slaves as well since I had to tow my mothers 146 after the clutch master failed yesterday and this morning my neighbor phones and complained that he have to pick his 145’s clutch pedal up every now and then.:lol:

 

[alfiGT]

Sorry to hear... I know exactly how you feel right now

 

[Nic Roets]

I'm sure there's a lot of us who know how you feel. Happened to me, not once, but twice. Second time TN changed the engine and I changed back to a 1973 Giulia.

 

[turbonutters]

Hi Nic waar is jy?

 

[Nic Roets]

Hi TN, jy sien nou min van my noudat ek weer 'n ouer dame met baie minder "hangups" moet tevrede hou !!

 

[turbonutters]

:cheese:
And you probably drive her a lot les than the 147 as well.

 

[stefaans]

The cambelt on my wife's Punto 1.8 HGT broke..... Replaced all the valves and obviously the cambelt etc...Total cost came to about R8000.00...... 147 should be in the same ballpark I think..

 

[scrgdk]

The cambelt on my wife's Punto 1.8 HGT broke..... Replaced all the valves and obviously the cambelt etc...Total cost came to about R8000.00...... 147 should be in the same ballpark I think..

Try adding an extra "0" to that cost :cheese:

 

[turbonutters]

It all depends on the age of the motor.
If it has done more than 100 000 km I prefer changing the big end bearings as well since we had a couple occasions where the bearings failed a couple of km after the pistons and valves met.
While you are at it why not change the rings as well.
Not to expensive if you take it to the right place and then the motor is good for as long as you have it.

But we are still waiting for the verdict.

 

[corriedw]

The cambelt on my wife's Punto 1.8 HGT broke..... Replaced all the valves and obviously the cambelt etc...Total cost came to about R8000.00...... 147 should be in the same ballpark I think..

Just about double that for the head and and cam drive-train.

 

[Ian Lusso]

The cambelt on my wife's Punto 1.8 HGT broke..... Replaced all the valves and obviously the cambelt etc...Total cost came to about R8000.00...... 147 should be in the same ballpark I think..

I had a Punto HGT at some point! Awesome little bugger! I loved it!:thumbs: the HGT and twinspark use the same basic block but the head is different though. I paid that price for a cambelt service in 2006... I hate WP prices, we get ripped off!