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Paticularly thinking about cars like the Astra GTC.

Then there`s the Megane 3 door and the Scirocco which is callled a coupe but is really just a slightly racier Golf...............................
 

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blurring boundaries, old bean. I don't understand any of it anymore. Rules are made to suit.

Cabrios that are convertibles, convertibles that are cabrios, saloons that are coupes, former coupe ranges that now have a saloon (6 series), hatchback saloons that are GT, cars with two doors on one side, and one on the other, small cars that are big cars (Juke), cars that are the same cars (C-Class coupe and E Class coupe) but have different names, coupe convertibles, convertible coupes, MINIs that are mahoosive...I can't keep up :)
 

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blurring boundaries, old bean. I don't understand any of it anymore. Rules are made to suit.

Cabrios that are convertibles, convertibles that are cabrios, saloons that are coupes, former coupe ranges that now have a saloon (6 series), hatchback saloons that are GT, cars with two doors on one side, and one on the other, small cars that are big cars (Juke), cars that are the same cars (C-Class coupe and E Class coupe) but have different names, coupe convertibles, convertible coupes, MINIs that are mahoosive...I can't keep up :)
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Thinking about this again today,why is it that I think of the AStra GTC as a 3 door and the Scirocco as a coupe?
I think its becuase the AStra is visually much more similar to its 5 door hatch sibling even if the panels are different whereas the Scirrocco whilst clearly a VW isn`t a Golf.

Am I right?:)
 

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blurring boundaries, old bean. I don't understand any of it anymore. Rules are made to suit.

Cabrios that are convertibles, convertibles that are cabrios, saloons that are coupes, former coupe ranges that now have a saloon (6 series), hatchback saloons that are GT, cars with two doors on one side, and one on the other, small cars that are big cars (Juke), cars that are the same cars (C-Class coupe and E Class coupe) but have different names, coupe convertibles, convertible coupes, MINIs that are mahoosive...I can't keep up :)
Niche within niche,within niche.I wonder how many more the marketing dpeartment can dream up? What next a 3 door coupe MPV.Hold on we`ve had that.....(Avantime)
3 door coupe off roader.....nope Evoque.
5 door coupe off roader....nope X6.

So I wonder if we will yet see Topgear`s idea of an MPV convertible or an off road sports car................:wow:
 

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Niche within niche,within niche.I wonder how many more the marketing dpeartment can dream up? What next a 3 door coupe MPV.Hold on we`ve had that.....(Avantime)
3 door coupe off roader.....nope Evoque.
5 door coupe off roader....nope X6.

So I wonder if we will yet see Topgear`s idea of an MPV convertible or an off road sports car................:wow:
How about High Stance Coupe.......................................DS4
I rejected replacing my Xsara VTS (coupe) with a Citroen because I couldn't reconcile High Stance with Coupe:confused:
 

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Strictly speaking a coupe (meaning 'cut') has a cut roofline ie shorter windows. By that rationale you can have a coupe in any flavour you like - 4x4, estate, saloon (merc clc?), 2 door, 3 door, 5 door etc so long as it has squintier windows than the everyday model on which it is based?
 
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It's all part of the blurring of the ranges as I've wittered on about before.

In the old days a mainstream manufacturer's range was:

1. Something small for mums, youngsters or the elderly (Fiesta, Polo etc).
2. Something a bit bigger for the dads who buy their own wheels (Escort/Astra/Golf)
3. A big saloon/hatch for the dads who get company wheels (Mondeo/Cavalier)
4. A fairly pointless pseuo luxo barge for the head of sales (Granada/Senator/607)
5. Some sort of sporty coupe for the dads in 3 above who wear track suits and think they've still got it (Capri, Manta, Scirocco).

Then the hot hatch came along and the coupes fell by the wayside.

Then, in the quest for greater refinement, 3. became bigger than 4. ever was and 4. fell by the wayside.

Then everyone established a need to transport 7 people and no luggage at all and the MPV was born.

Then everyone realised that they didn't necessarily need to transport 7 people after all but they did want to drive about wearing a top hat. The car makers hiked the roofline by four inches, charged you an extra four grand, and the mini-MPV was born.

Because the company car had got so big, the other models had to be increased in size too. This meant that there was a hole at the bottom of the range because the old small car had grown so that it was the size of the General Belgrano. So then a whole raft of smaller small cars arrived. (Ka/C1 etc)

By this time the dads in tracksuits' backs were all knackered from driving around in hot hatches with rock hard suspension. A wise man realised this and said "What we need lads, is something akin to the Volvo 480es that we'll call a coupe. Nobody will remember what coupes were (Capri, Manta, Scirocco) so we'll get away with it. The bad backs meant getting in and out was a chore but these cars were really just cruisers so once track suit dad was in there, he could drive about quite comfortably. There was a further evolution when BMW decided to call a 2-door 3-series a coupe and everyone jumped on the bandwagon.

There were a few more bumps in the road. Notably when someone decided that mini-mini-MPVs would be good. They had a driving position akin to sitting on the bog but they were cheap so appealed to the tight fisted motorist. And when someone else overdosed on espresso and decided that the world really needed convertibles for people who don't like convertibles. You can use the folding metal roof twice outside the pub then never bother again. Everyone will know that it's the expensive convertible because of the slightly iffy proportions and the big gaps between the bits of the roof but you don't have to put up with the inconvenience.
 

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Keithy,that is brilliant.Ever thought about contributing to Sniffpetrol?:lol:
 

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My definition .. that is more or less infallible.. is that a coupe is a 2 door saloon.

This makes the Fiat Coupe and Alfa GTV both coupe's... and the BMW 2-door 3 series a coupe. They all have a "boot".

The Scirrocco is (by my definition) a hatchback, not a coupe. It just looks like a coupe... That's okay, the typical buyer is a brain-dead moron and can't tell the difference. :D

Similarly the Fiat 126 is a coupe.. even though it doesn't really look like one... but if you compared that to a Skoda Rapide.. :D then you can see the same coop characteristics.

Capri..? Calibra..? Have a boot.. so coupe's.

Tigra and Puma and our own GT.... technically hatchbacks... though arguably the boot is there in the styling, even though it is a 3rd door, so we could let them in.

Anyway, the fundamentals are clear.. it has to have 2 doors and a boot "notch"... not a regular hatch.

Sorted.

Ralf S.
 

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My definition .. that is more or less infallible.. is that a coupe is a 2 door saloon.

This makes the Fiat Coupe and Alfa GTV both coupe's... and the BMW 2-door 3 series a coupe. They all have a "boot".

The Scirrocco is (by my definition) a hatchback, not a coupe. It just looks like a coupe... That's okay, the typical buyer is a brain-dead moron and can't tell the difference. :D

Similarly the Fiat 126 is a coupe.. even though it doesn't really look like one... but if you compared that to a Skoda Rapide.. :D then you can see the same coop characteristics.

Capri..? Calibra..? Have a boot.. so coupe's.

Tigra and Puma and our own GT.... technically hatchbacks... though arguably the boot is there in the styling, even though it is a 3rd door, so we could let them in.

Anyway, the fundamentals are clear.. it has to have 2 doors and a boot "notch"... not a regular hatch.

Sorted.

Ralf S.

:confused:Brera?
 

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"Originally posted by Ralf S.......The Scirrocco is (by my definition) a hatchback, not a coupe. It just looks like a coupe... That's okay, the typical buyer is a brain-dead moron and can't tell the difference."


..............that will be me then :rolleyes:
 
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My definition .. that is more or less infallible.. is that a coupe is a 2 door saloon.

This makes the Fiat Coupe and Alfa GTV both coupe's... and the BMW 2-door 3 series a coupe. They all have a "boot".

The Scirrocco is (by my definition) a hatchback, not a coupe. It just looks like a coupe... That's okay, the typical buyer is a brain-dead moron and can't tell the difference. :D

Similarly the Fiat 126 is a coupe.. even though it doesn't really look like one... but if you compared that to a Skoda Rapide.. :D then you can see the same coop characteristics.

Capri..? Calibra..? Have a boot.. so coupe's.

Tigra and Puma and our own GT.... technically hatchbacks... though arguably the boot is there in the styling, even though it is a 3rd door, so we could let them in.

Anyway, the fundamentals are clear.. it has to have 2 doors and a boot "notch"... not a regular hatch.

Sorted.

Ralf S.
Only the Mk1 Capri had a boot. Manta? Monza? Supra? Celica? 240Z? 260Z? 280ZX? 200SX? Colt Celeste?
 

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I had two mk2 Honda preludes, classed as coupe, but my mk3 prelude reminded me more of a hatch, as I think it had one, but was still called a coupe..
 

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Ralf had it all sorted for me but Keithy`s reasoning has made my head implode..........................:lol:
 
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Ralf had it all sorted for me but Keithy`s reasoning has made my head implode..........................:lol:
Glad to be of service.

According to my dictionary, it's a 2-door car with fixed roof and a sloping rear. This seems to pretty much rule out everything because all the coupes I can think of (With the exception of the Skoda Rapid and 110) either have 3 doors (see list above) or are what the Americans might term notchbacks (Manta, 3-series etc).
 

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Still waiting for an MPV convertible..............
 
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