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Hi fellas, I'm new to both Alfa Romeo and this forum, so go easy! I couldn't find a general 147 chat section so apologies if this is the wrong place. I just got myself a 147 Q2 Sport (for £3200, that's a great deal surely?!) and I love it so far. I inherited a Peugeot 107 previously so this is a big step up.

I'm interested in modifying it slightly to look a bit better and maybe go a bit better but I'm a little stuck as to what I can do. I don't want to do anything bling or vulgar like slamming it or giving it drift wheels as I want to preserve the Alfa Romeo class and honesty.

I was thinking firstly of changing the wheels as I'm not keen on the Q2 Sport wheels. How much do you think I could get for them? They're in okay condition but I can refurb them a little if need be. No pictures *yet* unfortunately. I love the Ducati Corse wheels but I believe they're 18" so am I right in thinking they won't fit? I also like the Guiletta wheels but they're the wrong PCD or something?

I was going to fit an undertray as I like all the little benefits it brings but it already has one. I'm very interested in aerodynamics so was thinking of ways I could fabricate little subtle bits to improve MPG mainly, but I think that's optimistic. I may look into getting a splitter as I've heard the Leon Cupra R one fits a 147.

I think I'm going to paint the brake calipers red or yellow when I'm brave enough to spend the £10 on paint - are there any brake upgrades I can do whilst I'm at it? Bigger brakes from a Brera or anything? Are there any better parts from other Alfas that fit the 147?

I'm replacing the front and rear badges because they've faded and was going to add the Alfa cloverleaf badge too but I can't justify the ~£16 for a badge that most won't even notice.


So yeah, if you've got any suggestions for little modifications I can do, feel free to suggest!
 

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Get yourself some 18 gt blackline alloys, thy will fit, I saw a 147 gta with them on and they look the dogs. Keep with alfa alloys and you can't go far wrong.
 

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Hi, The Q2 wheels don't come up for sale that often so usually make £300 a set on ebay. The 18" Ducati Corse wheels are a straight fit onto your Sport Q2 it will take the 18" rims as the setup is the same as the DC. You are correct is saying the Guilietta wheels do not fit. If your just using your car on the road I thing you will find the standard brakes are perfectly adequate. However before you spend money on how it looks you should perhaps get any mechanical bits sorted, ie has it been serviced? does it need a new cambelt & water pump? are all the suspension joints and bushes OK (wishbones are a week point)
 

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Hi, The Q2 wheels don't come up for sale that often so usually make £300 a set on ebay. The 18" Ducati Corse wheels are a straight fit onto your Sport Q2 it will take the 18" rims as the setup is the same as the DC. You are correct is saying the Guilietta wheels do not fit. If your just using your car on the road I thing you will find the standard brakes are perfectly adequate. However before you spend money on how it looks you should perhaps get any mechanical bits sorted, ie has it been serviced? does it need a new cambelt & water pump? are all the suspension joints and bushes OK (wishbones are a week point)
Won't 18" wheels affect the gear ratios because of the bigger wheels?
 

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Unless they are damaged, keep your badges and buy some suitable sticker replacements. It sounds heinous but they are often a very good match and properly applied will last so much longer than the originals do. Got mine from a user on here but they don't seem to post any more.
IMO 18" will result in too harsh a ride. 17" is a good compromise on ride, cost of rubber (more common size?) and they still look sporty!
 

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Hey Matey,

I know what you mean about the classy look, think Maserati rather than Need for Speed.

The 147 is built on the same floorpan as the GT and also shares lots of bits with the 156. Wheel PCD is shared also with the GTV/Spider from the previous gen cars. Don't worry about wheel fitment and offset, any Alfa rims will either fit or fill your arches a bit. GT Black line wheels are nice 18 inch jobs, so are Ducati Corse alloys. The GTA multispokes and teledial rims also look really nice. I'd go for 17" wheels because the ride will be crashy on anything bigger.

Zeatek do an aluminium undertray which is sold by alfisti.net. They have a huge range of tuning items on there and the lower VAT negates international delivery if you buy things together.

The Cupra R splitters have gone up in price to £45 at the main stealers so grab one here before they go:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/271404141638?_trksid=p2059210.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT

Red Hammerite direct to rust paint is the ticket, available for under £10 a tin. Other than that, the Brembo's from the 166 can be had for peanuts and will fit with a bracket and redrilled discs.

Badges can be had on:
Partsworld-UK home page
Exterior Trim and Badges for Alfa Romeo 147
The Alfa Workshop, specialist Alfa Romeo garage and web site
and Alfa Romeo Shop - Tuning, Styling, Fanartikel und Modellautos

Other stuff that you can modify includes blanking off the EGR on a JTD for more power and engine longevity:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/EGR-BLANK...arts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item20ddd52bb8
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/EGR-Valve...arts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item4ac5e8a513

You can fit 15mm spacers all round with 17" wheels for a nice full arch (or fit GTV wheels which have a different offset from the outset).

You can delete the DPF and both cats (downpipe & main cat) on a diesel and replace with shiny tubing:
JS-Tuning.nl

You can fit a tuning box to a diesel for more mpg and more Oomph:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Chip-tuni...arts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item43b99a0076

A strut brace will tighten up the cars nose, it takes half an hour to fit and is the best £100 you will spend on handling.

Eibach springs will lower the car by 10mm. It looks lower than that tbh so bear that in mind if you consider them on that basis. It might look faster but you'll be lots slower over speed bumps! Consider uprating the shocks because they are renowned for being soggy at low speed and nails at high speed.

Consider instead, uprated Eibach ARB kit which will reduce roll without compromising comfort.

That's all for now,

Nick
 

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Pretty much ^ what he said ^ but I'll add...

The GTA lights mod looks great when coupled with a Leon splitter.
Here's a link to a pic of my old car:
http://www.alfaowner.com/Forum/gall...eid=26868&original=1&c=member&imageuser=48207
It's a cheap DIY job but it is a faff to do. I have a guide in .pdf format you'd like it.

If it hasn't been changed already, swap the hideous OEM back box with a new one.

GTA ARBs are an excellent upgrade, and cheaper than new Eibach ARBs. Pricey to have fitted, mind.
(I'm not just saying that because I'm selling a set!) :D

If you're looking for a remap, Alfatune/AHM or Red Dot are recommended. Personally I'd go that route rather than using a plug-in tuning box.
 

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Got mine from a user on here but they don't seem to post any more.
Ah, I think I emailed this guy but wasn't aware he didn't do it anymore. Thanks for the heads up!

Hey Matey,

I know what you mean about the classy look, think Maserati rather than Need for Speed.

The 147 is built on the same floorpan as the GT and also shares lots of bits with the 156. Wheel PCD is shared also with the GTV/Spider from the previous gen cars. Don't worry about wheel fitment and offset, any Alfa rims will either fit or fill your arches a bit. GT Black line wheels are nice 18 inch jobs, so are Ducati Corse alloys. The GTA multispokes and teledial rims also look really nice. I'd go for 17" wheels because the ride will be crashy on anything bigger.

Zeatek do an aluminium undertray which is sold by alfisti.net. They have a huge range of tuning items on there and the lower VAT negates international delivery if you buy things together.

The Cupra R splitters have gone up in price to £45 at the main stealers so grab one here before they go:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/271404141638?_trksid=p2059210.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT

Red Hammerite direct to rust paint is the ticket, available for under £10 a tin. Other than that, the Brembo's from the 166 can be had for peanuts and will fit with a bracket and redrilled discs.

Badges can be had on:
Partsworld-UK home page
Exterior Trim and Badges for Alfa Romeo 147
The Alfa Workshop, specialist Alfa Romeo garage and web site
and Alfa Romeo Shop - Tuning, Styling, Fanartikel und Modellautos

Other stuff that you can modify includes blanking off the EGR on a JTD for more power and engine longevity:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/EGR-BLANK...arts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item20ddd52bb8
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/EGR-Valve...arts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item4ac5e8a513

You can fit 15mm spacers all round with 17" wheels for a nice full arch (or fit GTV wheels which have a different offset from the outset).

You can delete the DPF and both cats (downpipe & main cat) on a diesel and replace with shiny tubing:
JS-Tuning.nl

You can fit a tuning box to a diesel for more mpg and more Oomph:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Chip-tuni...arts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item43b99a0076

A strut brace will tighten up the cars nose, it takes half an hour to fit and is the best £100 you will spend on handling.

Eibach springs will lower the car by 10mm. It looks lower than that tbh so bear that in mind if you consider them on that basis. It might look faster but you'll be lots slower over speed bumps! Consider uprating the shocks because they are renowned for being soggy at low speed and nails at high speed.

Consider instead, uprated Eibach ARB kit which will reduce roll without compromising comfort.

That's all for now,

Nick
Thanks a lot for all this! Really useful.

Will the extra inch on the wheels really make a noticeable difference? That surprises me. Slight shame too as I love the Ducati Corse wheels!

The splitter looks nice but I just don't know if I can justify £45 on that just yet. I only stopped being a student two weeks ago! Again, £10 for some red calipers is equivalent to about a weeks food so that'll be a stretch.

I've never heard of an EGR before. What other effects does it have? More power and reliability but worse emissions? What about MPG?

What's the downside to a tuning box? That link you sent doesn't look particularly legit!

Thanks!
 

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What's the downside to a tuning box? That link you sent doesn't look particularly legit!
I have that tuning box on my car and have to say best bit of cash I've spent. Makes the car an animal!
Downside is if you don't drive her right she will eat clutches and driveshafts!
 

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The splitter is £25 and well worth it
When fitting it's best to remove the two centre struts as you risk damaging your bumper when you ground it... and you will ground it. :)
 

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I have that tuning box on my car and have to say best bit of cash I've spent. Makes the car an animal!
Downside is if you don't drive her right she will eat clutches and driveshafts!
Ah okay, cool. You understand my concern! Have you had it tested to see what it's actually done? I don't think more power is necessarily what I want - I'm more interested in MPG and getting the power over a wider rev range. Currently there seems to be a lot of turbo lag and a very small window of torque.
 

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Not had her tested no, does seem to be better on fuel though as am changing up earlier and not using the throttle as much, pulls even from the bottom now but there is one hell of a kick when the turbo pulls in, this is what can make the clutch slip and kill stuff as there is a torque surge.
 

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Good thread to have a read through, I like the idea of the spacers as I have been looking for ducati corse wheels since I bought mine and not come across any.

For the OP, I haven't done much to mine, just got new badges as already mentioned, painted my calipers red with alfa romeo stickers on the front which improved the look, especially with mine being a red alfa I thought they looked great. I put an alfaowner sticker just underneath the rear brake light, and one on the rear left window. Apart from that I have just given it a good detailing inside outside and in the engine bay. Things on my wish list are bigger front brakes/ drilled discs as I think they look better than solid discs, and improve braking. I hadn't thought about wheel spacers but as mentioned above^ these will improve the look a lot. EGR delete is something I haven't got round to yet, I bought the rectangular blanking plate with 4 holes in it so you can do this yourself and won't get the engine light come on.
 

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Okay, my £25.00 SEAT Leon front splitter arrived today and its a roll of rubber. I'm NOT happy! The real ones all cost at least £45 now which is dealership price.

Wheel spacers affect the track which increases stability and grip. They also lower the stance slightly and marginally increase (stiffen) the spring rate.

Tuning boxes are marketed to appeal to fans of the Need for Speed franchise but that doesn't mean that they aren't 'legit' as long as your declare them on your insurance ;) They take ten minutes to fit (or remove) and they basically increase values across the board to overfuel your engine. Since diesels don't rely on air fuel ratio alone but on high pressure to combust, putting more fuel in makes more and more power until the air density or injector capacity can't keep up. That is basically what limits engine tuning on turbo diesels. Since most boxes are variable resistors with a bit of power curve modification, you only risk wearing your clutch if you a) stamp the pedal like a chav and drop the clutch or b) max the box on already worn parts.

The EGR valve is the vehicular equivalent of smoking a cigar in a port-a-loo. It stands for 'exhaust gas recirculation' valve which pumps smoke back into the combustion chamber rather than clean oxygenated air. This saps power and causes sooting inside the block. Partially blocking both ends (3 holes not one) lets through enough air to fool the airflow meters and sensors but not enough to nerf your power significantly. A remap turns off the sensors and you can block it off entirely without an engine warning light.

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The only thing that will happen by blocking the egr is the combustion temperature will increase along with nox emissions, the most harmful of all. Of course the benefits are a lot cleaner inlet manifolds and less coking up. At this moment in time nox emissions aren't tested but I'm sure they will introduce it not too far into the future.
 

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Tuning boxes are marketed to appeal to fans of the Need for Speed franchise but that doesn't mean that they aren't 'legit' as long as your declare them on your insurance ;) They take ten minutes to fit (or remove) and they basically increase values across the board to overfuel your engine. Since diesels don't rely on air fuel ratio alone but on high pressure to combust, putting more fuel in makes more and more power until the air density or injector capacity can't keep up. That is basically what limits engine tuning on turbo diesels. Since most boxes are variable resistors with a bit of power curve modification, you only risk wearing your clutch if you a) stamp the pedal like a chav and drop the clutch or b) max the box on already worn parts.
'Overfuel' - that sounds bad for MPG but I thought tuning boxes increased fuel economy too? If it's so easy and there are no apparent downsides, why don't the manufacturers do it in the first place? It just seems too good to be true - spend £40 and ten minutes getting a very reasonable power and economy increase.

The EGR valve is the vehicular equivalent of smoking a cigar in a port-a-loo. It stands for 'exhaust gas recirculation' valve which pumps smoke back into the combustion chamber rather than clean oxygenated air. This saps power and causes sooting inside the block. Partially blocking both ends (3 holes not one) lets through enough air to fool the airflow meters and sensors but not enough to nerf your power significantly. A remap turns off the sensors and you can block it off entirely without an engine warning light.

Soooo, I only need the one blocking plate? I've seen people talking about blocking it off at two or three places. I can't afford a remap for now so I'll just stick with the partial block but when I get a bit more money I'll look into a full block and remap. Is a remap different to a tuning box?

Thanks for all the help!
 
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