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My GTV is back in the garage tomorrow for possbily more work. This will be the 6th time in as many months and as much as I love the drive and the admiring looks I simply can't afford to keep pouring money in to her and moreover my mrs won't let me. :( All my talk of going for nice drives together in the gtv simply hasn't transpired cos' she's often in the garage and I'm kinda reluctant to drive her hard in case something else goes wrong...

I am therefore considering the unthinkable and replacing her with a fiat coupe 20 valve turbo. Does anyone have any experience of driving the coupe? If so, what was your opinion on the car? Am I likely to get the same level of problems from the fiat given that they are both from the stable or is it a more reliable choice? I know the fiat is quicker but if you've driven both what would you rather have?Don't like the styling of the fiat as much as the gtv though...
 

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My GTV is back in the garage tomorrow for possbily more work. This will be the 6th time in as many months and as much as I love the drive and the admiring looks I simply can't afford to keep pouring money in to her and moreover my mrs won't let me. :( All my talk of going for nice drives together in the gtv simply hasn't transpired cos' she's often in the garage and I'm kinda reluctant to drive her hard in case something else goes wrong...

I am therefore considering the unthinkable and replacing her with a fiat coupe 20 valve turbo. Does anyone have any experience of driving the coupe? If so, what was your opinion on the car? Am I likely to get the same level of problems from the fiat given that they are both from the stable or is it a more reliable choice? I know the fiat is quicker but if you've driven both what would you rather have?Don't like the styling of the fiat as much as the gtv though...

Ok you have problems but what makes you think that a minimum 5 year old turbocharged fiat will be any more reliable?
They look lovely of course but imo they are going to give you as many 'problems' as your current ride. It's hardly a great choice for a trouble-free driving experience.
If you want reliable albiet dull motoring go for a Toyota.;)
 

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The Coupe is blooming great. If you do a forum search on here you'll find plenty of info.
In my opinion it's better looking and less dated than the GTV, but then that's obviously highly subjective.
The Coupe is like the GTV. If you go into the sale with your eyes open, and make sure you buy one that's been well looked after you'd have to be unlucky to get a lemon. (whether you didn't research the GTV enough before buying, or were one of the unlucky ones is for you to decide!)
There are bad ones about, but I've had mine for 2 years, and had very little go wrong with it.
 

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What Bazza said !! :D

(Apart from the bit about having had one for two years that is !!) :rolleyes: :lol:
 

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Ok you have problems but what makes you think that a minimum 5 year old turbocharged fiat will be any more reliable?
Can't agree with this. He's been unlucky in my opinion to have got a GTV that's particularly unreliable, and the same would have to be true for a Coupe. If you prefer the GTV to the Coupe, you could buy another GTV, and the chances are you wouldn't have the same problems you've had with this one.

Of course with a Toyota you've got a better chance of trouble free motoring, but in my opinion, with relatively modern motors I think that increased chance is the difference between 97% trouble free and 98% trouble free. For my money I'd rather drive something a bit interesting and take the extra 1% chance.
 

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It depends on what you consider trouble free, I had a Fiat Coupe for a while and loved it, it was very reliable but i wouldn't say its cheap to keep in good nick once you exploit the performance, if you can't afford a GTV I wouldn't entertain a Coupe, it eats brake discs (wear before the pads), clutch, wishbones, lets not forget all that rubber, new manifold wasn't cheap either, might be alright if you potter about but then the plugs get all coked up and the performance when you want it is very much dulled down, needs a good ranting to keep motor tiptop, and 0.5-1 litre of oil typically every 1k miles.

Thats not to say it was trouble I expect a bit of upkeep on something like that, but for some people that would be the end of teh world, IMO It is worth every penny for the performance and fun factor and its styling is superb, tis looking a touch on the old side and certainly wouldn't go for one without the plus/le bits and pieces or colour coding of the sils at the very least.
 

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Can't agree with this. He's been unlucky in my opinion to have got a GTV that's particularly unreliable, and the same would have to be true for a Coupe. If you prefer the GTV to the Coupe, you could buy another GTV, and the chances are you wouldn't have the same problems you've had with this one.

Of course with a Toyota you've got a better chance of trouble free motoring, but in my opinion, with relatively modern motors I think that increased chance is the difference between 97% trouble free and 98% trouble free. For my money I'd rather drive something a bit interesting and take the extra 1% chance.

Yes I agree but as horseman is fed up with unreliability, I was arguing that to replace the GTV with a Fiat would be foolish if he thought it would be any more reliable..of couse that isn't the only consideration when buying a car, if it was we'd all be in Toyotas. If that makes sense. :)
 

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It's splendid. Wanted a 20v turbo but couldn't afford the insurance (10 years back perhaps). Still looks really nice & fresh by the wheels look tiny now!
 

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Had a new 20VT in 2000 and did 55K miles. Well built and fantastic performance (once past the lag). As Sandys says, they drink oil and eat discs. I had mine re-braked, lowered and chipped. The handling was far better than my current GT (which is really bloody awful on the limit, although it grips well)

Any present 20VT will need significant maintenance now but the depreciation has largely gone so could still be cheap to run. There are specialists who will do the cam belt change for £400 for example.
 

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I had a 20vt for 4 years from 1998. Had it tuned to 280bhp and it was a monster. Trouble is the handling couldn't take much more than the standard 220bhp. Absolutely reliable apart from the alarm which was replaced 3 times. The seats look tatty very quickly and the bonnet is prone to stone chips, also cam belt is an engine out job. My advice is get the cleanest, standard car you can find and make sure it has a full history. They are lovely things to own and I still like the look of them 9 years on.

One more thing - they go like a rocket!
 
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I've had 2 20VT's and both were faultlessly reliable, immensely quick and very satifying. Probably a bit soft on the suspension but the only one to go for is the 6 speed Turbo Plus and I used to get nearly 30mpg on a run ! The car that replaced it was a 147 GTA - which is phenomenal car better in every respect. Unfortunately an accident curtailed our relationship and I now have a GT - a 1.9JTD which I felt was better than the 3.2 !
If I have an observation its that my Fiats which were both bought after a lot of searching had better build quality than both my Alfa's which were bought new.
I've just tried my brothers new Brera 3.2 and other than grip it is not a patch on the 147 and feels so much slower than the 20VT. It's down to money but the Fiats are getting a bit old now and finding one which isn't going to haemorrage cash may be difficult.
 

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I had mine re-braked, lowered and chipped. The handling was far better than my current GT (which is really bloody awful on the limit, although it grips well)
Modify your GT too then :) , jioned the Coupe boys on a trackday and my soot chucker had the measure of a few of them on all but the straights :cool:

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The car that replaced it was a 147 GTA - which is phenomenal car better in every respect. Unfortunately an accident curtailed our relationship and I now have a GT - a 1.9JTD which I felt was better than the 3.2 !
If I have an observation its that my Fiats which were both bought after a lot of searching had better build quality than both my Alfa's which were bought new.
Did similar moves and have teh same sentiments, my Alfas were also new (well almost 1 new, 1 a coupel of k old) and worse than my Fiats when you conside rthe price differential :rolleyes:

Know what you mean about the stock suspension I always used to say when I was an active member of the Coupe forum that a mondeo and Coupe have a lot in common, wallow and excessive bodyroll plus horrid nose dive, Alfa have the same afflictiosn :rolleyes: though to a lesser degree.
 

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I love the Fiat coupe, its looks are second only to the GTV IMO although the 20VT is much faster... I didn't have any reliability issues with my 16VT when I had it BTW.
 
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:confused: I'd have thought that finding a decent 20v Coupe would be pretty hard these days........they were popular with the "Max Power" brigade a few years ago in a way that GTV's seem to have eluded........and many have been ruined,making them a rare sight on UK roads these days.

:p As for ageing though,I'll admit that the Coupe's ar$e is much nicer than the GTV's......but from any other angle it looks very old,somehow the GTV has remained fresh looking,i'd imagine a decent GTV V6 will be a classic in a few years time whereas the Fiat will be regarded (quite wrongly as both cars are equally deserving IMHO) as the forgotten oddity :confused:
 

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If you want reliable albiet dull motoring go for a Toyota.;)
But not a Celica.
My mate and his Dad run them and they are not faultless by any means, and interestingly the dealers are pretty crapola too....
:rolleyes: ;)

Horseman - get the GTV to someone who knows what they are doing and get it sorted. It will cost less than swapping for an unknown car anyway.
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But not a Celica.
My mate and his Dad run them and they are not faultless by any means, and interestingly the dealers are pretty crapola too....
:rolleyes: ;)

Horseman - get the GTV to someone who knows what they are doing and get it sorted. It will cost less than swapping for an unknown car anyway.
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Exactly Not Celica I had one it lasted 5 weeks after the GTV completely gutless car :(
 

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Thanks for all your comments. The reason for conisdering the fiat coupe as a replacement is again to do with the feeling and the admiring glances you'd get when you drive it. I gather it is another drivers car, like the GTV. I do want to have a car that looks gorgeous and is unlike other euroboxes and most japanese motors that you see on the roads which all look alike and just leave me cold (IMO new civic aside that is). I guess this is the same feeling shared amongst most alfa/fiat owners. What I am saying in a long winded, going on a bit sort of way is that I NEED the aesthetics and the driving experience of an italian car but was after a bit more reliabilty. Hence why I was considering alternatives such as the coupe although maybe that isn't the answer. I just thought I'd have less trouble than I have had this far in to the ownership experience and that got me thinking. in repsonse to Norberts comments; Some of the trouble is down to my lack of know-how with cars and some down to a bit of bad luack I s'pose. Since being on the forum though I have seen the trouble others have had and realise I should be quite grateful that I haven't had anything REALLY bad happen to my motor.

Perhaps Ricksalfa is right; maybe the answer is to spend a bit more money in the first place on getting the GTV right at a reputable independant... I've heard Monza Sport in Ashington are quite good down my way, anyone got any experience of them?
 
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