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Hi all,

Real quick question but I am thinking about buying a Brera S that is a 58 reg with only 4000 miles on the clock. The dealership is not an Alfa dealership, but was just wondering if there is anything to look out for? Just seems very low milage for what is essentially just over a year old car....

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Cant help much about the price, though, im not into UK prices, but IMO that mileage and age is the best-buy, no matter what you are getting.

- initial hit of the depreciation has past
- car is almost as new
- still under waranty

IMO that is the better deal than the new one, just kill the price as much as you can
 

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Watch out for envious looks from any hovering alfisti!
 
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With 4K genuine miles there can't be much wrong unless it's been in a shunt.
 

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Its just that other people are selling an 08 plate for £500 more with around 3k more miles, so it just seemed a bit to good to be true (the 58 plate is prices at £17995). It's been in no crashes and it was on a lease to one guy before....

Question is do I trade my new Mito 155 for the 2.2 Brera S? I dont know what to do :cry:. Going for a test drive sat
 

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Pluses:
+ Brera is way more exclusive
+ way more luxurious and stylish
+ its a proper coupe, more comfortable and elegant

Minuses:
- its not nippy and swift as 155bhp MiTo
- MPG is way lower
- insurance and running costs way higher
 
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Its just that other people are selling an 08 plate for £500 more with around 3k more miles, so it just seemed a bit to good to be true (the 58 plate is prices at £17995). It's been in no crashes and it was on a lease to one guy before....

Question is do I trade my new Mito 155 for the 2.2 Brera S? I dont know what to do :cry:. Going for a test drive sat
Wouldn't worry too much. Dealers have all sorts of motivations: they might not really know what to do with it / want shot of it because it's not their thing / have got a cracking deal when they bought it in / be more realistic than the others / just be plain wrong with the price!

HPI check it, have a good poke around and you shouldn't go far wrong. As for chopping in the MiTo? I would :) The MiTo is a cracking little car, but it's no Brera IMHO. (I like Clubber's list though).

Good luck :thumbs:
 
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HPI check and then i would pay someone like the AA/RAC to do an independent check, that way if something untoward does crop up and they haven't found it i believe you can claim on their insurance scheme they have ;)

Win-Win
 

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Thanks for the advice guys, made me much less nervous about the whole thing!

Anyone know what can be done to make the Brera quicker? Thats the only one thing at the back of my mind that it wont ever be as nippy as my Mito without spending a bomb :cry:
 

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Thanks for the advice guys, made me much less nervous about the whole thing!

Anyone know what can be done to make the Brera quicker? Thats the only one thing at the back of my mind that it wont ever be as nippy as my Mito without spending a bomb :cry:
Brera is a quick car. And it can be made to be very quick. But it can hardly be as nippy as MiTo due to its weight and size. Its different kind of "quick" - more elegant, highway, sovereign way of "quick". MiTo on the other hand is a little furious bee, totally different concept.
 

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Brera is a quick car. And it can be made to be very quick. But it can hardly be as nippy as MiTo due to its weight and size. Its different kind of "quick" - more elegant, highway, sovereign way of "quick". MiTo on the other hand is a little furious bee, totally different concept.
Ah ok I guess im use to have lots of low down power and now high end where as the Brera is the other way around? Looking forward to the test drive saturday and ill let you know my decision :thumbs:
 
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The problem with the 2.2 is that it can get bogged down off the mark.
The S version should have an exhaust system that alleviates this but
in anycase any tinkering is never going to get you more than about ~190BHP.
(Unless you chuck another few grand and bolt a supercharger onto it.
Which is an option.)

The fun rev range is 3.5->4.5 and this is when the exhaust is
at it's most rorty too.


Things to watch out for mechanically (Although on an 08 with 4K miles
unlikely.)

1) Tyre wear It will eat tyres and they cost.

2) Hesitation. Reports suggest the S shouldn't
but try crawling around in 1st gear using only the
accelerator to speed up/slow down.

2) Brakes. Front disc wear check the lip.

3) Steering. Check the power steering fluid level and
steering for any grumbles, gruanching or other noises.)

4) Stretchy timing chain. Dunno how to spot this.
I think it shows up with engine warning lights and
limp mode.



That's about all I can think of.


What the Brera is: A sexy long distance, at-speed cruiser that grips well in corners
and can eat miles without tiring you and turns everyone's head as you pass.

WHat the Brera isn't: A quick-off-the-mark sprinter.
 

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The problem with the 2.2 is that it can get bogged down off the mark.
The S version should have an exhaust system that alleviates this but
in anycase any tinkering is never going to get you more than about ~190BHP.
(Unless you chuck another few grand and bolt a supercharger onto it.
Which is an option.)

The fun rev range is 3.5->4.5 and this is when the exhaust is
at it's most rorty too.


Things to watch out for mechanically (Although on an 08 with 4K miles
unlikely.)

1) Tyre wear It will eat tyres and they cost.

2) Hesitation. Reports suggest the S shouldn't
but try crawling around in 1st gear using only the
accelerator to speed up/slow down.

2) Brakes. Front disc wear check the lip.

3) Steering. Check the power steering fluid level and
steering for any grumbles, gruanching or other noises.)

4) Stretchy timing chain. Dunno how to spot this.
I think it shows up with engine warning lights and
limp mode.



That's about all I can think of.
Thanks nev, much appreciated!

I know 0-60 times are really what to go by, but say if the Mito is 8.0 sec and the 2.2 S is 8.8, do you think the Mangos upgrade would shave off a couple of .sec to maybe around 8.3? :lol:
 
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Autodelta re-map is excellent.

You also may want to try the Mangoletsi mods. Lots of good reports on here regarding these.

If I was living in the UK that's where I would have brought mine.
 
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If the Mangos remap is the Autodelta one, then you do get the upped
revlimit in 1st gear. Which is fun. ;)
 
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If the Mangos remap is the Autodelta one, then you do get the upped
revlimit in 1st gear. Which is fun. ;)
I think the Mangoletsi mod is different Nev.

They change the exhaust note from memory as well as some other tinkering to improve performance.

As you say, the Autodelta mod increases the rev limit in first gear and boosts kw's.
 

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But dont the remap only give a slight increase in torque and BHP? Any idea on which is better remap vs mango upgrade?
 

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The problem with the 2.2 is that it can get bogged down off the mark.
The S version should have an exhaust system that alleviates this but
in anycase any tinkering is never going to get you more than about ~190BHP.
Actually my 2.2 is definitely well above 200 bhp - induction, remap and vortex exhaust. Probably gained around 40+ bhp for £1000 (though i didn't pay that much). Just waiting to get it rolling roaded. It's a great drive now and is properly fast :cool:
 
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I had the Autodelta remap and was very very happy with it:

Better fuel economy, upped revlimit in first, smoother throttle
response, no hesitation .


Never verified the power increase as that was never going to be
that much and the main point of the remap for me was to fix the damn
lowspeed hesitation.
 
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