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Who do you want as the next US president?

  • Barack Obama

    Votes: 21 60.0%
  • John McCain

    Votes: 2 5.7%
  • Couldn't care less

    Votes: 12 34.3%
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Only a few weeks off now and (thankfully) we get to wave goodbye to Dubya. So who would you like to replace him then?
 

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Barack. No question about, I hope he wins.
 

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Obama by a country mile - but then again I can read, am not xenohobic, embrace change and don't believe in a talking snake :lol:
 

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ok i voted couldnt care less, thats how i feel, im sick of it and the beebs obcession with it, but if i really had to pick one it would be obama but for no reason other than that he doesnt have a sodding anoying voice like mccain, and lets face it whoever gets in we will never hear the end of them no matter how much we try to aviod them:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:


oh and mcain has an obsolute nutter for a running mate.
 
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Obama is smart, well read, well spoken and far less likely to bring the entire world into all out warfare :thumbs:
 

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does it really make any difference?
the presedent probably has as much control over what happens as the average stray dog on the street while the rest of the corrupt heads of departments tell him what to do

or am i just far too cynical?

america has had one good presedent that tryed to be honest with the public (jfk) and look what happened there
 

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In the end you still get a Yank......
America where over 30,000 gun deaths since 2005 is considered OK whilst the Yanks tell the Poms that 59 gun deaths in the same time is really a nasty situation that requires the UK to a change their gun laws....to make guns more readily available..... :lol:
 

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With every American man , woman and child owing $US33,000 courtesy of the US Government and their individual spend, spend, spend mentality , The next President of the Credit States of America is in for a good time ;)


House of credit cards may fall | The Australian
House of credit cards may Robert Lusetich, Los Angeles correspondent | October 04, 2008
DESPITE all the hand-wringing about the Wall Street bailout, the reality is that a measly $US700billion ($895billion) won't save Americans from what ails them most: themselves.

The Bush administration's rescue of Wall Street - which will, temporarily at least, allow crippled banks to keep lending, thereby sustaining the vicious cycle which started this mess - is but a band-aid applied to a gushing wound, decades in the making.

It doesn't take the Scottish father of modern economics, Adam Smith, to understand how unsustainable the US has become; a nation which buys anything and everything at a manic pace and in turn produces only debt.

It's a maddening place to raise children and attempt to instill in them the idea that they can have what they can afford, because no one around them can afford anything that they have.

High school students drive new BMWs - purchased on credit, of course - because heaven forbid they have to suffer the social ignominy of arriving at school in a used car.

I have watched this deterioration for 15 years and its extremes never cease to amaze, or depress, me. The mother of my brother-in-law's infant son may be perpetually broke, yet she is the proud new owner of a marvellous set of breasts.

Her cosmetic surgeon, it turns out, has a finance company at the ready and encouraged her to take advantage of low introductory interest rates. Buy now, pay later is the American mantra.

Pointing the finger is useless because there is enough blame to go round.

Americans can't restrain themselves from spending money they don't have - timely considering this week is the 50th anniversary of the first American Express credit card - and financial institutions can't stop lending them money because new business propels a bank's stock and fattens those executive bonuses.

So everybody wins (not really) while the country - and the generations to come - lose.

The mortgage crisis, which triggered what is the biggest disaster since the Great Depression, was just the latest symptom of a terminally sick system.

Why is anyone surprised that the house of cards came tumbling down when irresponsible people bought homes they couldn't afford because banks that knew they couldn't afford them lent them the money, anyway? It's insane.

And in Washington, the same culture exists, just on a much grander scale.

New spending programs - aimed at getting politicians re-elected - or tax cuts or wars or Wall Street bailouts are just thrown on a very large credit card.

If anyone gets jittery, the government just prints more money because among Richard Nixon's noxious legacies is the fact that he removed the US dollar from the gold standard in 1971.

So how is the US now different from Zimbabwe, or Argentina a few years ago? Or for that matter, the British Empire, which died the day the US threatened to sell off its vast holdings of pounds unless Britain, France and Israel gave control of the Suez Canal back to the defeated Egyptians in 1956?

What if Japan, China, Britain and the Saudis - nations that hold trillions in US currency and treasury notes - decided to sell today? The US would crumble.

George W. Bush's legacy has been not just to double the size of the national debt - to a staggering $US11 trillion by the time he leaves office - but to destroy the mystique of America in the world.

Add to the financial crisis the erosion of US military standing by allowing Iraq to become a quagmire. The all-volunteer military of the world's biggest superpower could not handle another theatre of war, which only serves to further dilute the idea of America.

David Walker, who spent 10 years as the comptroller-general of the Government Accountability Office - essentially, the US's financial watchdog - until leaving the office in disgust in March, is a keen student of history and understands what he's seeing.

"Rome fell because of declining morality and political incivility, an overconfident and overextended military in foreign lands, fiscal irresponsibility and an inability to control its borders," he told The Australian. "Does that sound familiar to you?

"This sickness started in the 80s when Americans became addicted to debt. Conspicuous consumerism went up and savings went down. Before that, since the beginnings of the republic, America only took on debt in times of war or national disaster, but now in Washington, on Wall Street and on Main Street, spending is out of control."

Walker says $US11 trillion isn't even the real debt facing the US - more than half of which is held by foreign nations - because it does not include the future promises of social security and medicare, which right now stand at $US41trillion.

Except, of course, those deposits will be empty within a decade or so, leaving nothing for workers contributing to them now.

"One of the fundamental aspects of the American Dream is toprovide more opportunity tothe generations to come," Walker said. "If we don't change course now, what are we leaving our children and our children's children?"

The short answer is more than half a million dollars in debt for each household.

If the American Empire is to be saved, the first step is a simple one: cut up those credit cards.

And if your breasts aren't big enough, try padding a bra.
 

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I hate the Presidential race. It goes on way too long. Its far too outlandish and styled like a movie script. But worst of all i hate not being able to vote. I dont trust the Americans, you see. I dont think they have my interests at heart when they decide who to elect. And that's the problem. America, for the foreseeable future will remain the backbone of western civilisation. Our very existence is regulated by a country we have no control over and it scares the **** out of me. 8 years ago Bush was elected and decided to start a war. He could say it was a war on terror all he likes but we all know the truth. His dad asked him finish something he himself couldn't do when he was in power. But, hungry for more, once that was finished he moved on to somewhere else. This war has a long time to run yet and its costing us dear. We cant blame Blair for following him. God knows what would have happened if we hadn't. We need the Americans, and they know it. Pretty much, they have us over a barrel.

This McCain fellow, as far as i can see, isn't that different from Bush. Obama, as i see it, is. Straight and simple. Obama seems the more rounded individual. He appears to have his head on straight and instead of promoting guns, sport and killing animals with his #2, he puts across points that actually cause me to relax a little. Proof is in the eating, of course, so nothing will be known until the race is finally over, but if i had to choose, Obama would get my vote. It's just a shame it wouldn't count for anything.
 

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I don't have a vote in this so my opinion is really totally irrelevant. In much the same way, it really doesn't matter whether an american citizen prefers Gordon Brown or David Cameron. Totally irrelevant.

The media has decided to present one of the candidates in a better light than the other. But that doesn't make them right.
 

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I don't have a vote in this so my opinion is really totally irrelevant. In much the same way, it really doesn't matter whether an american citizen prefers Gordon Brown or David Cameron. Totally irrelevant.

The media has decided to present one of the candidates in a better light than the other. But that doesn't make them right.

this is unfortunately true, the media decide who looks good or bad
 

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Obama but I'd rather have Ron Paul as US President.
 

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america has a massive image problem around the world at the moment, particularly thanks to their unjust was in iraq and for giving us the joy that is the credit crunch. i think if obama gets elected then it at least sends out a message to the rest of the world that they're willing to trust a black president, a president with an african father, and one who is all for change (or so the media say anyway). please please please let's not have another christian fundamentalist republican in charge
 

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As Winston Churchil once said....

“The Americans can always be counted upon to do the right thing, after they’ve exhausted every other possibility.”

So far, the Americans have been true to form.
 
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