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So what's the opinion on this nasty little habit?
I am SOOOO sick of this.

Waiting in the outside lane for good old Mr HGV to finally overtake the truck in lane one (the manouvre he started about three hours ago), a queue of us mostly leaving sensible gaps between us and the car in front.

Then along comes some hotshot numpty, casually undertaking all of us in lane one and barging his way to lane two at the top of the queue. Doesn't seem to matter how hard I scream "don't let the idiot* in", some (more kind-hearted) driver ahead does exactly that.....

Is it just me, or is that behaviour just plain wrong.....? Is shoving red-hot needles in their eyes just way too kind for them?

Do chime in.....


* except I don't use the word "idiot" ;)
 
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So what's the opinion on this nasty little habit?
I am SOOOO sick of this.

Waiting in the outside lane for good old Mr HGV to finally overtake the truck in lane one (the manouvre he started about three hours ago), a queue of us mostly leaving sensible gaps between us and the car in front.

Then along comes some hotshot numpty, casually undertaking all of us in lane one and barging his way to lane two at the top of the queue. Doesn't seem to matter how hard I scream "don't let the idiot* in", some (more kind-hearted) driver ahead does exactly that.....

Is it just me, or is that behaviour just plain wrong.....? Is shoving red-hot needles in their eyes just way too kind for them?

Do chime in.....


* except I don't use the word "idiot" ;)
I hate the same thing, if its me that has to let them in I close the gap up and they go bonkers and they are left there while we all go past :D
 

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I thought we were onto the subject of funeral specialists for a moment then! :eek::lol: I was considering how an undertaker could have wronged you enough to have a rant! :eek:

That'll teach me to just read the title! :lol:
 
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2 sides:

- It is annoying to be in a queue of traffic in the outside lane, some BMW or Audi undertakes the whole queue, cuts in behind the lead truck / car, which pulls over soon after, and mr Teutonic is on his way to his photocopier conference 30 seconds quicker.

- However, the likes of this morning, motorway was quiet, someone in a Skoda Fabia sitting in the outside lane for no reason whatsoever, inside lane clear for at least a good mile, gave them a chance (didn't tailgate or flash but sat and gave them a chance to assess the situation) they had lane sheep syndrome so undertook them and was on my way.
 
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If I'm in the inside lane and the outside lane is snarled up and travelling under the speed limit, then I'm perfectly entitled to undertake.

However, ducking out of one lane, undertaking then getting back into the original lane? That's for cnut's only
 
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If I'm in the inside lane and the outside lane is snarled up and travelling under the speed limit, then I'm perfectly entitled to undertake.
Really? And this is genuine curiosity, not sarcasm, btw. I was taught that ALL undertaking is wrong (given that there are no unbroken white lines on the road). Anyone else got an opinion on this?
 
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Really? And this is genuine curiosity, not sarcasm, btw. I was taught that ALL undertaking is wrong (given that there are no unbroken white lines on the road). Anyone else got an opinion on this?
Depends on what you mean by wrong.

Usual motorway conditions, busy, motorists want to move to left lane perhaps not expecting to get undertaken, dangerous.

Undertaking a line of cars to get to the front of the queue, morally wrong.

Undertaking a single car doing 65mph on the outside lane after sitting behind them for a mile with an empty left lane, probably a bit silly but probably not morally wrong and not dangerous if they have no intention of ever changing lane.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I think legally, it is frowned upon unless:
- A one way road
- Your queue is moving quicker than the other queue

So was wondering if these could be used if ever stopped. Hopefully any law enforcement officer would use their discretion (the ones who actually patrol and just don't sit on bridges with hairdryers):
- A motorway is a one way road? Technically a dual carraigeway. A single road on the map, but what about those sections where each side goes round a farmhouse eg. M22(NI), M62(Eng)
- Joined the queue on the inside lane which was moving faster. This argument could unfortunately be used by our BMW/Audi driving "friend" to justify undertaking and cutting in front of the outside lane queue. Is a single car a queue? Is the lack of vehicles a faster queue?

Sorry for the rambling post. I have a love/hate relationship with undertaking. Hate the queue beaters, but also hate the outside lane 65mph sheep.
 
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Sorry for the rambling post. I have a love/hate relationship with undertaking. Hate the queue beaters, but also hate the outside lane 65mph sheep.
Not rambling at all, SW. That's pretty much what I figured with the undertaking.
And, just like you, I can't STAND those middle lane hogs.
 

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There are plenty of occasions that I can think of, on the M2 in Kent (where it is 4 lanes wide until the A229 junction), where some selfish motorists sit in the second or third lane, when there is nothing inside them. They are just lazy or ignorant, and deserve to be "undertaken".
 

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Really? And this is genuine curiosity, not sarcasm, btw. I was taught that ALL undertaking is wrong (given that there are no unbroken white lines on the road). Anyone else got an opinion on this?
The Highway Code Rule 268 said:
Do not overtake on the left or move to a lane on your left to overtake. In congested conditions, where adjacent lanes of traffic are moving at similar speeds, traffic in left-hand lanes may sometimes be moving faster than traffic to the right. In these conditions you may keep up with the traffic in your lane even if this means passing traffic in the lane to your right. Do not weave in and out of lanes to overtake.

And strictly speaking, there's no such thing as undertaking... :p
 

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Not sure I'd call it undertaking, but here in Dubai I quite regularly pass slower moving traffic on the inside. On a 6 or 7 lane highway, I am not gonna cross 2 or 3 lanes to pass some dozo travelling at a relatively slow speed in one of the outer lanes if my lane is clear ahead. Always assuming no camels in the road.......
 

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I agree it's definately iffy on a motorway but have done it as in sirwiggum's example above, but on local dual carraigeways I have to admit I do it every single morning. Line of traffic all turning right into the filter lane half a mile ahead doing around 25mph. Exactly the same thing happens at the next two junctions. I either sit behind them all or go straight past the lot of them in an otherwise empty left lane.

It's legally wrong and I've been pulled for it a few weeks ago (but not booked) but it does my head in when people turn onto a dual carriageway then go straight into the outside lane because they are turning right at the next junction, which could be a mile or more away. It's one of the things there should be a law against in my opinion on dual carriageways, it's not right that everybody else should be held up this way and be unable to legally pass these thoughtless people. Whatever happened to "Keep Left"?

Are they any more right to do this than I am wrong to undertake them? Well 30 years ago I failed my first driving test for getting into the right hand lane too early after the examiner told me to "turn left (onto the dual carriageway) then next right". I didn't know the road and couldn't see the right turn as it was round a long bend, turned out to be about half a mile away. I rest my case.
 
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And strictly speaking, there's no such thing as undertaking... :p
True. And I didn't mean wrong as in the "Highway Code" sense of the word. When I took my advanced test, the instructor said that you shouldn't use the inside lane to go past another vehicle cos of the danger of them cutting in....

Mind you, that was a few years ago now - maybe the view has changed....
 

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When I took my advanced test, the instructor said that you shouldn't use the inside lane to go past another vehicle cos of the danger of them cutting in....

Mind you, that was a few years ago now - maybe the view has changed....
I'm sure it's still the case, I do feel a bit nervous about doing it for that reason, but sometimes, if you don't undertake, you're not going to get past. Hopefully it might make them realise they're in the wrong lane.
 

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Recently on the A14 where the A11 briefly joins making it a 3 lane road, I experienced a frustrating 20 minutes whilst ALL the traffic chugged along at 60mph in lane 3! Both of the other lanes were empty for as far as the eye could see.

With safety/the law in mind I stayed put for a while but then pulled into lane 2 and proceeded at 70mph. (Lane 1 {A11} disappeared).
So technically I am gulity of undertaking..........

I realise that anticipating the need to change lane in good time is good practice but why do people have to do it 'just in case' they need to overtake 10 miles up the road!!??
 

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Well I think you'll find that every one "queuing up" in the outside lane is not technically in the right, the outside lane is for overtaking, whilst you queuing up you are not technically overtaking (as there are no cars to your left). What you should do is drive in the left most lane and then move out to overtake when needed.


Therefore the Audi/BMW driver in this case is actually technically more in the right than the cars in the outside lane, also he is technically not undertaking as you are allowed to pass cars on the left when moving in queues (just happens that his car is part of a queue of 1 :lol:)
 
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Well I think you'll find that every one "queuing up" in the outside lane is not technically in the right, the outside lane is for overtaking, whilst you queuing up you are not technically overtaking (as there are no cars to your left). What you should do is drive in the left most lane and then move out to overtake when needed.


Therefore the Audi/BMW driver in this case is actually technically more in the right than the cars in the outside lane, also he is technically not undertaking as you are allowed to pass cars on the left when moving in queues (just happens that his car is part of a queue of 1 :lol:)
A good point well put sir! :thumbs:

Last night had some numbnuts in a Honda Jazz or some other citycar box thing pull out across 2 lanes to the outside lane of the M5 bound traffic, sit there at 60mph all the way to Hazelbank roundabout, 2.5 miles away, and then indicate right. :rant::mad: Couldn't even pull a cheeky one as there was traffic on the inside lane, so had to bide my time.
Clearly a case of lane sheep syndrome - must get into lane miles beforehand and never deviate.

The same lane sheep syndrome that nearly causes accidents when they are working on the motorway and cone off the lane, clearly marked for miles, but mr or mrs lane sheep are asleep at the wheel of their Renault Modus / Nissan Note and panic (or usually just change lanes without even looking or noticing other traffic!) when seeing all the cones.

This is separate issue, however, from BMW/Audi drivers driving right up to the cones and cutting in at the last second :tut:. That's just bullyboy tactics.
 
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