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Dilemma, dilemma, dilemma.

How nice is this:

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/toyota/gt-86/toyota-gt86-coupe-2-0-d-4s-pro-2dr-2017-17/10020113

With a financial focus on sinking money into overpaying the mortgage, the rest into the pension and my savings means spending on Big Ticket Items like a car are a not to be rushed. And anyway, I’ve got a nice car.

But... as much as I love the 190 - and you know I do - I do miss a manual with a bit of grunt; for observation rather than comparison perspective, I would like to own a new car over a 30 year old one.

But even the loon in me thinks £18k to jump into a modern coupe with such nice handling is money that can be better spent.

Curiously, on the Mercedes site, they said I should buy the Toyota. I didn’t expect that. (Possibly they see this as a way to get me to leave their site.)

I really like that Toyota. What do you think? Park the idea for for now to chip off the last chunks of the mortgage, then come back to it? Or Go reckless with the you only live once mindset?
 

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Watch out for big service bills caused by the spark plug positioning. A neighbour has one and I asked her about it but, despite not knowing why , she told me it was many hundreds for the last service.
 

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Yep, that’s ok, all cars have their demons.

Outside of annual servicing, after eight years I see every nine months the Merc will need £200 spent on it - could be normal consumable stuff that you spend on any car, like tyres, exhaust, brake pads - or 190 specific stuff, like ball joints or the something or other sensor (outboard relay switch?) whose name escapes me now.

As the car costs me zilch from months on end, I’d be used to another car that costs nothing then springs a bill on me : - )
 

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Go for it - the GT86 (and BRZ) appears to be a great car - I've been looking at them for a while now.
The one you've linked to is a good price for a facelift model - these cars do generally seem to be priced high. Whether they sell at advertised prices is anyone's guess. If they do, they're very low on depreciation.
There's also a Club Series Orange Limited Edition for sale at a good price https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201908070876691?postcode=pr29wx&model=GT86&seller-type=trade&radius=100&transmission=Manual&price-to=22500&sort=distance&advertising-location=at_cars&make=TOYOTA&colour=Black&colour=Blue&colour=Orange&colour=Red&colour=Silver&colour=White&maximum-mileage=45000&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly New&onesearchad=New&exclude-writeoff-categories=on&page=1
I've been looking out for a facelift BRZ in WR Blue - that seems to be a very rare beast.

As for spark plugs, Toyota say the engine needs to come out to change (6 years from new), but specialists say it can be done with the engine in, though not an easy job.
 

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There’s something about the feel of all Toyotas ,that they are a product, that’s a nice change from the romance of an Italian car.
 

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This model has a Subaru engine, and my preference would be the Subaru BRZ - but it is almost identical to the GT86.
They do have that Japanese look about them, but score strongly on just about everything else.
And being Japanese, it'll never ever go wrong!! You'll never hear that said in Alfa circles!

''The romance of an Italian car'' is no longer present with an Alfa for me.
They simply don't make anything I find interesting to look at these days. They now make stuff that looks similar to all the rest but with poorer build and residuals compared to their competitors.
Hopefully that'll change if the GTV ever materialises...
 

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There really is only you that can make that final decision. The fact you've come here to ask the Alfa community what they think kind of suggests to me you're very interested and looking for approval.

I approve of anything that makes a person excited. So long as it's legal. Once only do we get a chance to do this life thing.

You can always sell it if you don't gel with it. :thumbs:
 

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When my 156 departed this world in 2016 I had two cars on my "desired" list:

Plan A: Guilia
Plan B: BRZ

Alfa dealers messed me about with prices, and I could not get a proper quote out of them .. "it should be about" wasn't a great way to forecast the price.

I had always liked the GT86/BRZ since they were released back in 2012 .. one of the offices I regularly visited was near a Toyota dealer and they used to test drive them passed the building I sat in.

Anyway after Alfa played silly wotsits I decided to go for the BRZ. I decided to treat myself to the top of the range SE Lux Auto with the upgraded radio (Satnav/Dab). That was back in 2016 and I was told to expect a March delivery. In Jan 2017 the dealer rang me to say the car had arrived .. and it was the NEW MY17 model! Small problem .. the upgraded radio would no longer fit, and I'd have to wait a few weeks for the new module (Alpine unit). That was installed June 2017.

What do I think? I love it .. I have that permanent grin you get with a new car .. and still have it 2 1/2 years later ..

What does the family think? "Dad's lost it" .. the rear seat is tight for two smallish adults ..

Car's done around 26K miles and only one problem. The battery died a couple of times but that seems to be common across the GT86/BRZ range .. the original is far too small (Amp/Hr wise). New battery fitted under warranty with no quibbles.

Yes, the 60K service worries me (spark plugs) but I've got 3-4 years to save!
 

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There are not many BRZs on the road .. the deal was Subaru could make/sell 1 BRZ for every TEN GT86's!

The car was designed by Toyota to replace the old Celica. The problem was their engines were too tall. Hence the Subaru flat-4 engine. Injection is Toyota's to meet emissions regs (with help from Lexus engineers to get the power/emissions correct) and some of the mechanicals are Lexus (auto gearbox). The cars are all built in Subaru's factory and the BRZs get a slightly tighter/stiffer suspension. And, in my opinion, and nicer interior.

200bhp from a 2 litre NA isn't shabby either.
 

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Oh, and it turns out had I waited for the Giulia .. I would have had to find around another £4-5K to get the spec I wanted ..


.. actually probably about another £34K as I would have wanted the Quad!
 

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You definitely made the right choice in my book gazza - a far more interesting car! And that colour is gorgeous.

It's just the sort of spec I'm after, but a manual gearbox. I'm surprised how many autos are out there, when just about everything I've seen and heard says the manual is the one to have.
 

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I went for an auto as I was spending hours on the M25 visiting my son who was living in Brighton ...

Plus I tried a GT86 manual and that nearly put me in a ditch! That could have been the tyres (it was a 2nd-hand one so they were worn) or I just hit a greasy patch coming off a roundabout. Also I found the GT86 trim a bit "too gaudy" .. I love the BRZ black with red stitching (leather/alcantara)

... plus with the auto you get flappy-paddles!! I know, mid-life crisis ... great isn't it!! :rofl: :yum:
 

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Apologies chaps for the late reply. All good points. For some time I wasn’t too bothered whether it was the Toyota or the Subaru, but if the engine (heart) is Subaru, then it should be the Subaru version. ; )

Practical question - can a Toyota dealer service the Subaru, and the Subaru dealer service the Toyota? Only because there are more Toyota dealers near me than Subaru ones.

Ok.
 

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Just to throw a spanner in the works, anyone considered the Peugeot RCZ?
I've long considered it to be dreadful. Looks like it should be mid-engined but isn't. Half the time they are diesels. All style, no substance.
 

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Just to throw a spanner in the works, anyone considered the Peugeot RCZ?
Nice suggestion, but sorry Angoose - it’s not for me. : - (
 

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All style, no substance.
I've lost count of the number of times I've heard that line said about another car company close to our hearts...
 

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Just to throw a spanner in the works, anyone considered the Peugeot RCZ?
It's got a certain amount of style about it, a fairly rare sight, 'individual', but for some reason it's of no interest to me. Perhaps it's that badge...
 

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Practical question - can a Toyota dealer service the Subaru, and the Subaru dealer service the Toyota? Only because there are more Toyota dealers near me than Subaru ones.
Yes, any VAT registered garage can service either model if you mean servicing to preserve the manufacturer's warranty.

Your best bet would probably be a Scooby specialist, there must be plenty of those about.
 
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