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Last Monday my car 147 JTD 53 broke down on the M61, I was doing about 50mph though I cant be sure.
My engine stopped and warning lights came on. Im not experienced with cars. I get in them and drive, top up the oil from time to time the usual stuff.
About two weeks before my car had been in for a service at 50,000 miles...cost about £750 for it in the Preston Alpha service centre.(This included a replacement turbo pipe that was blowing)

Anyway...my timing belt had snapped.
I contacted the Alpha garage in Bolton the place where my car was towed by the AA to find out how much it will cost to fix, this being after four days looking at it.
They said, They had to take the head off, Check the head and the valves need doing.
Altogether with parts,time and labour it will cost us £1,900...yes I said they want to charge £1,900. The car is only three years old.
Its just had its first MOT when it was serviced.
Is £1,900 a correct figure for engine damage caused by a broken timing belt.
Can anybody help? I dont want to get ripped off...not again.
 

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Point out to them that the interval for changing the belt is 72K miles, and that the car has a full service history and therfore they should fix it for free. If not threaten them with trading standards. (I would anyway).
 

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I agree - you have a really good case for getting them to waive any charges at all - sounds like the belt they fitted (at 50k?? should be 72k) was faulty. Is it under warranty, still? Alfa should pay if not the garage..
Really sorry to hear about it, had a similar thing happen of a 1 year old Lotus once, horrible experience.
 

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Hey you folks are brill giving advice like this.
I have to say I did miss the service at 36,000 miles totally forgot till I had the 50,000 service done.
The belt has never been changed to my knowledge since I bought it brand new.
The warranty has just finished. 3yrs.

Where could I find facts about the timing belt...i.e. how long is it supposed to last and what interval is it supposed to be changed...I ask so I can use this as backup to my argument when I go back and say I want it doing for free.
 

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Hi Chris.
Bear in mind Alfa have fairly recently reviewed their info on car manuals data to state that the timing belts should be checked/changed at 36k miles, not 72k as previous.

If its any help to relate to the price you were quoted, I enquired about the history of my own car after I bought her to find out if the timing belt had been done. (The car was at 33k miles when I got her, she's an 03 plate). Surprise, surprise, the dealers records showed that the previous owner had brought her in with engine damage due to a snapped belt just a few months before. They said £1400 worth of work had been done to her, tho this included a service as well as rectifying the damage (blown head gasket), and giving her a new belt.

I'd shop around. Your quote sounds a bit steep. Let us know how you get on.
 

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Just my onion.....

You forgot the 36K service, so probably cannot expect any support from Alfa.

Do you have a warranty - Alfa or aftermarket? If so, claim. If not, then no warranty = no claim.

Sorry if this sounds depressing, just my view......
 

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If you missed a service interval then you have no chance of a warranty claim or any chance of Alfa coughing up.

£1900 sounds cheap for a dealer. Find yourself a good independant Alfa specialist though, you can expect to pay almost half of this quote. I'm not from your neck of the woods so can't recommend anyone to you.
 

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I wonder why they didn't change the belt at the service :confused: Have you owned the car from new? Do you always get it serviced at the same garage, and is it a dealer or Alfa specialist?
 

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I wonder why they didn't change the belt at the service :confused: Have you owned the car from new? Do you always get it serviced at the same garage, and is it a dealer or Alfa specialist?
Not quite up on the 147's but is JTD not a diesel engine.

I believe the 36K cambelt change refers to TS petrol engines not V6 or diesel which remains at 72K.

NB He missed a service.

Hard luck...Coz the belt should have lasted longer but as chap says missed service = No Warranty.Hard lesson .

147Virgin "My youv'e learned a lot since joining this forum. perhaps youll need to change your name to something more appropriate now. ..PS So have I"

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Hi Chris.
Bear in mind Alfa have fairly recently reviewed their info on car manuals data to state that the timing belts should be checked/changed at 36k miles, not 72k as previous.

If its any help to relate to the price you were quoted, I enquired about the history of my own car after I bought her to find out if the timing belt had been done. (The car was at 33k miles when I got her, she's an 03 plate). Surprise, surprise, the dealers records showed that the previous owner had brought her in with engine damage due to a snapped belt just a few months before. They said £1400 worth of work had been done to her, tho this included a service as well as rectifying the damage (blown head gasket), and giving her a new belt.

I'd shop around. Your quote sounds a bit steep. Let us know how you get on.
147 would you know if if was covered by the warranty for the previous owner or what as if you got it at 33k then its well before the 36k change.Or had the 3 years form date of first registration past and warranty finished.?
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147Virgin "My youv'e learned a lot since joining this forum. perhaps youll need to change your name to something more appropriate now. ..PS So have I"

Pomeo
:D Have learnt a lot from the forum, but still consider myself a novice - but anything I pick up am happy to pass on if it helps anyone. (info that is!):eek: :wow:
Sorry tho that I didn't realise that the diesels cambelts were still set to a 72k check. So I wasn't that much help!:lol:
 

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147 would you know if if was covered by the warranty for the previous owner or what as if you got it at 33k then its well before the 36k change.Or had the 3 years form date of first registration past and warranty finished.?
Pomeo.
The work done by the Edinburgh Alfa Dealership was done in March 2006. My car was first registered in May 2003, so yes, it would've been covered by the warranty at the time. I assume the previous owner got scared by the bill he would've potentially have incurred had it happened a few months later, so got shot of the car just after the work was done.
 

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147 I was only pulling your leg...Its my warped lanarkshire sense of humour which is now politicaly incorrect...will need to sue the education authority for making me this way.


Thats what this forum is all about. Learning and sharing our trials and tribulations and benefiting from others misfortune or good fortune.

With what you know now are you going to change your belt early or swap for a diesel version?.

A girl in my street has a 147...First chance I get I'll need to speak with her about her car...I'm a bit reluctant as she may have sufferred a belt failure and say you're a bit late....Or she'll take it on board and it'll snap on the way to the garage.

On thinking of my belt failure the belt wasn't the prime failure.It was the tensioner which allowed the belt to move and rub on the casing and when about half the width of a new belt it sheared.I replaced belt and tensioner.The 3.0 166 needs a new belt soon as it was done at 60k and is now about 120k and I think the water pump is U/S.
So when the better weather comes I'll be busy.

See post on tyres ...You told probusterrace almost word for word as I did on another thread days ago.I used to use \national tyres for their cheap oil and filter change.Prior to that I used Budget in Motherwell...£4.95 for an oil and filter change on a Rover 827....It took 5litres of oil and at trade the filter was 7.95.....Why get your hands dirty.Then you have to dispose of the oil..Back to doing it myslef now as small print is 4 cylinder engined below about 2300 cc.

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147 I was only pulling your leg...
Thats what this forum is all about. Learning and sharing our trials and tribulations and benefiting from others misfortune or good fortune.

With what you know now are you going to change your belt early or swap for a diesel version?.

See post on tyres ...You told probusterrace almost word for word as I did on another thread days ago.
Pomeo.
;) Glad you were pulling my leg - wasn't too sure at first! Having read other threads 'bout 2nd belt snappings before 70k, I'll definetely get my car done before then. Am only at 48k just now tho' so have plenty time yet:D

Read your other post from a week ago re. tyres. (Didnae copy ye - honest!:lol: ), but just goes to show customers aren't fooled by these so called "special offers". They're definetely just a means of getting you in the door in the hope you then can't be bothered to go elsewhere. Think next time I'm passing National Tyres though, for the sheer hell of it, I'll ask them what cars these obscure sizes actually fit! :p
 

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147....a guess is Hillman Imp....Made in linwood years ago with coventry climax water pump engines if I recall correctly......you don't see many driving about.

Or more subtle...Nothing to do with any car just not the size that you are looking for.

Did you see frasers post about Parks.

Re post about tyres.....I believe you ...you did what I did...hecked them out and called their bluff......Great minds think alike....But I went elsewhere.

Pomeo goes for its 3rd mot for me on monday.Hope its like the last 2.....sailed it...Mot fee only...Can my luck hold out a third time.
Lacey,the 3 litre, not due to May.
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I live in Bolton...

I will not darken Lythgoes door with an alfa romeo ever again.

The dealer is a mazda/nissan dealer first and foremost

FIAT is a poor relation taken when the Bolton FIAT/Alfa dealer went Bust.

Alfa is service only - lots of peole seem to travel like me to Mangoletsi's...(30 miles each way)...

No Alfa specialist local to Bolton to my knowledge - there was one in
Horwich but he retired...

Sorry to hear of your problems mate, 1900 seems steep for a cambelt...

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2 possible specialists: lancsbreaker (on alfa145.com forum, not sure of name on here) is up that way somewhere. Failing that, try Alfatech in Huddersfield. Bit of a trek but very good. Good luck!
 

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Pomeo said:
Did you see frasers post about Parks.

Pomeo goes for its 3rd mot for me on monday.Hope its like the last 2.....sailed it...Mot fee only...Can my luck hold out a third time.
Pomeo.
Haven't read frasers post yet. . .will do.
Good luck with the MOT!
 
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Lancs is RGWM on here but he's a breaker, not a garage, despite doing a bit of work on cars (sorry if this is a dis-service lancs!).

Afraid I've got to agree with other posters here...if you missed a service you're nackered :( Sorry....

Btw, if the diesel is comparable to the Twinspark in terms of work for the rebuild, £1900 is steep.

wrinx
 
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