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Hi all. Just got myself a beautiful phase 1 gtv that i had my eye on for some time. I got my mechanic to do the all important belts and i picked her up this morning. He is not familiar with Alfas although a very experienced guy. He wasn't aware of the whole belt issue with these and to be fair nobody locally drives them. He was handing me the keys and proudly told me he just replaced the belts because the tensiors were 100% said he inspected them well and if it was his car he wouldn't replace them and saved me the few quid. Now prob everybody here will think this was ridiculous but to be fair to him it's only alfa really were belts are breaking daily and this is probably a common cost saving for average motorists.
The quetion is, is it the tensioner fails or the belt or what and has he just wasted his time and leaving me with a ticking time bomb? I can return and get all fitted but await peoples advice?
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They should be changed as a group. Both the timing belts, and balance shaft belt.
I would say though, that the main reason to change them is that if the belt snaps - your engine top end is damaged.
If one of the idler/tensioners wears you would normally get advance warning of this as an audible rattle/screech so it's less of a risk, but the amount of work he should have done to gain access to the belts means it's silly not to replace the whole lot while you have it adrift.
 

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They should be changed as a group. Both the timing belts, and balance shaft belt.
I would say though, that the main reason to change them is that if the belt snaps - your engine top end is damaged.
If one of the idler/tensioners wears you would normally get advance warning of this as an audible rattle/screech so it's less of a risk, but the amount of work he should have done to gain access to the belts means it's silly not to replace the whole lot while you have it adrift.
 

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Always a good idea to do tensioners at the same time. For the extra effort and cost involved when dong the job it is a no brainer really.
 

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Thanks for they reply guys. He genuinely thought he was doing me a favour but i will get it replaced now to be sure. Too good a little car to wreck. My first gtv and definately the best of the alfas for me. Not knocking other alfas here for i have and love them myself but the gtv is a drivers car and dosen't compromise. Think alfa maybe lost a little of it's soul lately but unfortunately to survive they had to become more like the rest of the brands.

Thanks again.
 

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When either your cambelt tensioner, cambelt idle bearing or balance belt tensioner seize, stripping the belt and destroying the engine, you can come on here and complain about it.
Harsh, he wasn't to know that and only came here because he had doubts and I for one can fully understand that.

What you say is entirely factually true but maybe a little more understanding for those not so technically adept?
 

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In future on each belt change you need to change the belts, tensioners, and the cambelt idle bearing, and on the next change I would strongly recommend changing the waterpump. If the variator is not noisy, then you can leave it, although it isn't a bad idea to change it every second belt change.

What is also absolutely important is that your technician uses the correct camlocking tools, in order to achieve correct cam timing. Using tippex marks is not the way to do it. Best way forward really is to find an Alfa specialist in your area who has the correct tools and knowledge.
I agree.

I have always changed the variator though - the GTV is now on it's 5th belt and for the sake of £100 (variator) I just get it done.

We had a 147 where the variator was knackered - sounded truly awful. We were naive and had a main dealer do the belt - guess what? - it came back still sounding the same. That was 9 years ago and we have always had the variator changed (GTV) since.
 

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Was the tensioner a white plastic one. As this is a PH1 Gtv it's a good chance that it is and therefore a real weak point, it it was a metal one then your likely to be ok as many manufactures use similar bearings and tensioner and have much long belt replacement intervals. The white plastic tensioner is the reason AR reduced the change interval. See my thread linked below the old kit has a white plastic tensioner the bearing was sweet so to was the idler but the pulley had seen better days.
 
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