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Hi,

Has anyone done this or have a guide handy?

Thanks in advance


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Is this something planned? I've never seen anything related on the owners handbook.

I heard somewhere that it is a dry clutch, but not 100% on this fact.
 

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Hi,

Has anyone done this or have a guide handy?

Thanks in advance


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hi, there are 2 types of oil, one for the gearbox and one for the hydraulic part of the gearbox.

i^ve managed to do this myself, the gearbox oil is the same as in normal gearbox and the change part is exactly the same, there are 2 plugs one under and one on top of the gearbox. (Petronas Tutela Transmission Gearforce 75W / 2-Liter

For the hydraulic part i^we managed to change only half :( (alfa romeo says is for life) , on top of the gearbox is a white plastic container, you can remove 300-400ml with a vacuum pump and then top with fresh oil, close car open the door (for the pump to start) start the engine (repeat) and check the level. (Petronas Tutela CS Speed 75W)

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Thanks for this - in terms of the drain plug, does anyone know if it requires a sealant of some description on the threads? Sure ive read somewhere it does. Also the drain plug, is it the one directly near the hydraulic reservoir..

From a search it seems like the drain plug is hard to reach, this plug looks easy?

Thanks again, ready to do this today - although its now hammering down with rain for the first time in 6 weeks :/
 

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Gearbox oil changed ok, im now thinking about the hydraulic actuator - i know the right oil but its largely impossible to check the level currently. I can see the min line but the container isnt translucent, its pretty much yellow and cant see the fluid through it

Should i be able to easily see it? If not how in gods name are you supposed to check the level?

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Gearbox oil changed ok, im now thinking about the hydraulic actuator - i know the right oil but its largely impossible to check the level currently. I can see the min line but the container isnt translucent, its pretty much yellow and cant see the fluid through it

Should i be able to easily see it? If not how in gods name are you supposed to check the level?

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at my car i can easily see the level, put a flash light behind the container :D
 

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For the hydraulic part i^we managed to change only half :( (alfa romeo says is for life)
I have different info from my mechanic. He is official AR mechanic in Italy and part of test driver group for new AR cars. He also got some rewards from AR for having the best service in northeastern area of Italy. So I think he should know what he is doing. Anyway, he said that oil for hydraulic actuator has to be changed at 75.000 km (calculate miles yourself). He did this for me and of course you have to do calibration afterwards (do not forget that part). I can say that before I was very happy with TCT, but afterwards it was somehow even better. The price of oil was around 40€, so not much and really worth it.
 

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I have different info from my mechanic. He is official AR mechanic in Italy and part of test driver group for new AR cars. He also got some rewards from AR for having the best service in northeastern area of Italy. So I think he should know what he is doing. Anyway, he said that oil for hydraulic actuator has to be changed at 75.000 km (calculate miles yourself). He did this for me and of course you have to do calibration afterwards (do not forget that part). I can say that before I was very happy with TCT, but afterwards it was somehow even better. The price of oil was around 40€, so not much and really worth it.
How much oil did it take? 1liter?
 

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I have different info from my mechanic. He is official AR mechanic in Italy and part of test driver group for new AR cars. He also got some rewards from AR for having the best service in northeastern area of Italy. So I think he should know what he is doing. Anyway, he said that oil for hydraulic actuator has to be changed at 75.000 km (calculate miles yourself). He did this for me and of course you have to do calibration afterwards (do not forget that part). I can say that before I was very happy with TCT, but afterwards it was somehow even better. The price of oil was around 40€, so not much and really worth it.
How do you calibrate after changing the hydraulic oil?
 

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I have no idea how much go in. That is what the garage has to know and I did not ask. I just felt the difference in gear changes.
I also have no idea how you do the calibration. Only thing I now is that the car should be cooled down. As for usual service i drop the car off around 2pm and get it back latest at 5pm, but when they were doing this calibration, they wanted to had the car there at 8am as they said that it has to cool down (I have around 200km drive to get to them). The car actually sat in their garage the whole day (they did the regular service during that time) just to cool down and they did the calibration the last thing in the afternoon.
 

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I recently had to have a new gearbox actuator fitted (at a cost of 2k) on my 2012 Giulietta TCT and this requires calibration but I'm unable to have this done. I've owned this car from almost new (it was a demonstrator first). Its never needed anything except service, tyres and brakes. Until last year when the DMF and clutch needed replacing. Thankfully an experienced alfa independent in Manchester has undertaken all work previously. In August the car had a complete transmission failure so I had the vehicle lifted to our independent who after a number of weeks diagnosed a faulty actuator.

I weighed up repairing vs scrapping, though as the car working was worth 5k and not being able to purchase a better car for the cost of repair chose to have it repaired. After waiting for parts to arrive and plenty of road tests, the independent gave us the car back working. Unfortunately though there was still a transmission warning message showing when the ignition was turned on and flashing whilst driving. Also dynamic and all weather could not be chosen but it drove very well. I was advised to take it an alfa dealer if I was concerned about the warning as it probably needed a software update. He only charged the price of the part and the labour cost to fit for 3 hours but noted on the invoice a software update was likely needed and the warning message still showed. I needed the car back and without any other simple option chose to accept and thought I'd take it an alfa dealer

After waiting 2 months for a diagnostics appointment at the Alfa dealership in Chester (with the car driving absolutely fine) the following was diagnosed
clutch self calibration (kiss point routine) - not configured
End of line (EOL) self tuning not done - not configured
vehicle dynamic switch plausibility - signal failure.

I was advised this basically meant the TCT had not been calibrated for the new actuator. Unfortunately the engineer then spent the rest of the morning until the earlier afternoon trying to calibrate the unit. Unfortunately though he could hear the gearbox going through the gears it consistently returned a Wrong gear self-learning in End of Line (EOL) value Grid not plausible. He tried removing the battery etc but the calibration consistently failed, I presume the vehicle had cooled since me arriving at 8am and he was still trying to calibrate at 12pm

Only option I had was to either take it back to the independent or leave the vehicle with him though it would cost more to investigate the issue (at £90 an hour) and if the part was faulty I would need to return to the independent anyway. However as the car was driving fine I have simply chosen to ignore it and the engineer agreed with this also. This may end up being the wrong decision or I may be lucky and have no further issues. Lesson learnt any big issues take to the dealer from the start, though I'm not confident they would know how to resolve this issue anyway! It would be nice to know why the calibration returned this error.
 

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Just out of curiosity did you (or anyone else) find the cause/solution to the "End of Line (EOL) calibration - Grid not plausible" problem?

It is an error I personally have not ever come across.
 

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I recently had to have a new gearbox actuator fitted (at a cost of 2k) on my 2012 Giulietta TCT and this requires calibration but I'm unable to have this done. I've owned this car from almost new (it was a demonstrator first). Its never needed anything except service, tyres and brakes. Until last year when the DMF and clutch needed replacing. Thankfully an experienced alfa independent in Manchester has undertaken all work previously. In August the car had a complete transmission failure so I had the vehicle lifted to our independent who after a number of weeks diagnosed a faulty actuator.

I weighed up repairing vs scrapping, though as the car working was worth 5k and not being able to purchase a better car for the cost of repair chose to have it repaired. After waiting for parts to arrive and plenty of road tests, the independent gave us the car back working. Unfortunately though there was still a transmission warning message showing when the ignition was turned on and flashing whilst driving. Also dynamic and all weather could not be chosen but it drove very well. I was advised to take it an alfa dealer if I was concerned about the warning as it probably needed a software update. He only charged the price of the part and the labour cost to fit for 3 hours but noted on the invoice a software update was likely needed and the warning message still showed. I needed the car back and without any other simple option chose to accept and thought I'd take it an alfa dealer

After waiting 2 months for a diagnostics appointment at the Alfa dealership in Chester (with the car driving absolutely fine) the following was diagnosed
clutch self calibration (kiss point routine) - not configured
End of line (EOL) self tuning not done - not configured
vehicle dynamic switch plausibility - signal failure.

I was advised this basically meant the TCT had not been calibrated for the new actuator. Unfortunately the engineer then spent the rest of the morning until the earlier afternoon trying to calibrate the unit. Unfortunately though he could hear the gearbox going through the gears it consistently returned a Wrong gear self-learning in End of Line (EOL) value Grid not plausible. He tried removing the battery etc but the calibration consistently failed, I presume the vehicle had cooled since me arriving at 8am and he was still trying to calibrate at 12pm

Only option I had was to either take it back to the independent or leave the vehicle with him though it would cost more to investigate the issue (at £90 an hour) and if the part was faulty I would need to return to the independent anyway. However as the car was driving fine I have simply chosen to ignore it and the engineer agreed with this also. This may end up being the wrong decision or I may be lucky and have no further issues. Lesson learnt any big issues take to the dealer from the start, though I'm not confident they would know how to resolve this issue anyway! It would be nice to know why the calibration returned this error.
What happened? Is it solved?
I have the same problem. Please tell me what did you do?
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What happened? Is it solved?
I have the same problem. Please tell me what did you do?
Thanks in advance
Unfortunately the issue hasn't resolved. The Alfa specialist and dealer both advised to just ignore the fault / light as they wouldn't be able to attempt to resolve without further costs. Also as the car is working without issue, attempting to fix the error could cause the car to become undriveable. I've driven the car without any noticeable issue for over 12 months now. The fault light doesn't affect our UK MOT test and the DNA system is unchangeable from N. Should the clutch and actuator not being calibrated eventually cause the vehicle to break, I'll just scrap the car and get a new one.

If you manage to resolve the issue or identify the cause it would be good if you can advise us all.
 

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Unfortunately the issue hasn't resolved. The Alfa specialist and dealer both advised to just ignore the fault / light as they wouldn't be able to attempt to resolve without further costs. Also as the car is working without issue, attempting to fix the error could cause the car to become undriveable. I've driven the car without any noticeable issue for over 12 months now. The fault light doesn't affect our UK MOT test and the DNA system is unchangeable from N. Should the clutch and actuator not being calibrated eventually cause the vehicle to break, I'll just scrap the car and get a new one.

If you manage to resolve the issue or identify the cause it would be good if you can advise us all.
Finally Resolved!
I post the here how to resolve the problem : TCT gearbox fault: P290D, End of line/service self-calibration
Hopefully it's useful. let me know about the result.
 

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Unfortunately the issue hasn't resolved. The Alfa specialist and dealer both advised to just ignore the fault / light as they wouldn't be able to attempt to resolve without further costs. Also as the car is working without issue, attempting to fix the error could cause the car to become undriveable. I've driven the car without any noticeable issue for over 12 months now. The fault light doesn't affect our UK MOT test and the DNA system is unchangeable from N. Should the clutch and actuator not being calibrated eventually cause the vehicle to break, I'll just scrap the car and get a new one.

If you manage to resolve the issue or identify the cause it would be good if you can advise us all.
I have the same problem. I tried the solution proposed by Kazempince but without luck. Im thinking maybe replace the oil but would love to know if you solved your issue and if so, how? thanks. Richard
 

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I have the same problem. I tried the solution proposed by Kazempince but without luck. Im thinking maybe replace the oil but would love to know if you solved your issue and if so, how? thanks. Richard
I'm at alfa dealer right now to change actuator oil, filter and gearbox oil to see what will happen. I will update you as soon as possible.
 

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so did the garage confirm what they did? Did they drain the oil out of gearbox and actuator and replace, then run EOL without any issue? Where is your mechanic? Might be fortunate enough to have them closely?....
 
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