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Can a Stepnose Alfa dominate the streets of South Africa? I'm talking about a fully modified street car Alfa that can prey on owners of vintage Ferraris, Porsches, Lambo's, etc.

How about keeping up/surprising the myriad of new sport/exotic vehicles running on the roads?

What is the ultimate formula for such a car, which must be as reliable as a often-driven new car?
 

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For those that haven't been following other threads, we hope to be testing this question soon on a street near you...

I say the answer is yes, although there is still a lot to sort out on my project. I'm excited about driveline and suspension we have chosen. Still need LSD, brakes, tires, and of course some original interior!

Open to opinions, but our current formula is 8V Twin Spark, Turbo, Full On Alfaholics Suspension...
 

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Turbo is the only way,,, you not going to fit a V6 in that body so 4cyl turbo...

If you want a reliable car... Alfa and high powered turbo dont normally mix....
:rant:Hate me, but a 3sgte motor is the best thing to use:rant:
 

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How about a 16V TS Turbo? I'd think it would make one or two more ponies?:confused:

Now you're making me want to build a 3.2 V6 Turbo Junior. I've seen from a twin turbo Essex V6 to a 5.7 liter V8 in Mk1 Escorts, and that car's engine bay isn't much bigger than a Junior's so surely a Busso can fit?

Now I know what I'm going to drool over for the rest of my life! Thanks Scotty! :thumbs:
 

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Now you're making me want to build a 3.2 V6 Turbo Junior. I've seen from a twin turbo Essex V6 to a 5.7 liter V8 in Mk1 Escorts, and that car's engine bay isn't much bigger than a Junior's so surely a Busso can fit?

Only one way to find out...:D
 

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Turbo is the only way,,, you not going to fit a V6 in that body so 4cyl turbo...

If you want a reliable car... Alfa and high powered turbo dont normally mix....
:rant:Hate me, but a 3sgte motor is the best thing to use:rant:

Depending on what you see as high power.
The 156 2.5 turbo producing close to 300whp now did close to 30 000km without a problem.
Only normal services.
There’s a sweet spot with everything but people always have to try and make the most power why not be satisfied with a strong and reliable car.

For interest sake it makes the same power as a Sierra Fitted with a 7MGTE.
The 7MGTE is 3.0 24v and boosted almost a bar while the 156 made the power with an oe 100 000km old 2.5 motor, oe management and 0.5bar boost.
The 7MGTE was reworked twice since then and covered les than 5000km.
The Alfa is in daily use in traffic with the ac on and did almost 30 000km (since the conversion) including a trip to the Cape with family and baggage.
 

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I have to agree with TN, I'm talking reliability and street quickness. My 55 runs the 1/4 mile in high sevens and is street legal with tire change (the 14" Drag slicks aren't legal on US highways). I'm not as concerned with power as I am reliable quickness (and handling is a major factor for winding roads). No heater, AC etc. so I don't expect my dream GTA-Replica to be a daily driver...but in S. Africa it is easy to survive without heat or AC.

Must pass the wife test, can she drive it to store and back without it overheating, needing help starting, etc.
 

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BTW, I have owned a Capri Perana...Pretty confident the GT would smack it down. I guess we'll see if I come across anyone actually pushing a Perana on the roads in the near future???
 

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Well I did manage to find out that my 146 2.0 Twin Spark turbo had the conversion done when the car had about 5000km on the clock. It now has just under 72000km. As far as I know it only had one failure due the the plastic plenum. It now has the old Aluminum plenum and going strong.

did I forget to mention reliability?
I drove the car from Pretoria to Oudsthoorn without a hiccup!!!:)
 

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The little Yellow cars going to all cars from its era and a couple of new so-called fast cars watch this space.
 

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I hope so TN, as for outperforming a Perana...yes you have to remember that car was designed for a 4-cyl with a V-8 shoved in. There were afterall some insane 4-cyl works capris that would destroy a Perana. I don't know how powerful the TS turbo will be initially, but that doesn't mean we can't replace internals and bump up the pressure. Not to mention we'll be running fuel injection and a good management system. Decent weight distribution is excessively important, I've seen GTs dominate the truly exotic in corners only to lose ground on the straight aways. If you can add power without effecting weight distribution and geometry you are much better off. Still have to get it all to the ground, which may prove trying...
 

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Wildcard, that sounds like excellent results :thumbs: Hard to beat a properly sorted turbo injection....

I have run 100,000kms on waste vegetable oil in my Turbo Diesels... eve made riduculous crazy power out of a Jeep Cherokee CRD on vegetable oil.

The only replacement for displacement, is squeezing even more air through!
 

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Scotty, the street scene in JHB is run by a couple of Scoobies that race for a club called Underground Racing...these guys ONLY come out when something challenging comes along, street legal 10sec scoobies we are talking about here, the cars even got sound in it, but I'd say 1st gun for the Hot Hatch Brigade from DBN...fastest K03 and K04 powered GT-s in the WORL resides in DBN...12 second flat on pump feul!!!

Then there's the C63 monster that kills everything in sight and the 330d of George Smooth that now runs with a tank of nos in the boot running in the 11's...street legal cars that the wifes can drive to the shops as you put it...so your target should be 10-12secs to be a real contender on the street!

However, I'm sure that just like me, seeing as you want to do up an Alfa you WON'T strip it like a drag car coz they just look fugly, make it look bog standard, well Alfaholics standard but tear the streets up!
 

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I say you can make 300 whp reliably with the 8v, not on pump fuel though.

300whp in < 1000kg's = faster than most.
 

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I'm not going to strip it, has to be able to ride my littles on the back on a tame weekend jaunt. Also want it to look like a vintage Alfa, Lekker!!!

I'm thinking more than just drag racing as well, something that can truly smoke a curving road.

May take some time, but I think we have a decent start
 

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Def get the turbo motor...twinspark 8v is sworn as bible by Alfaholics already..but they did build a NA 200bhp motor from 8v twinnie didn't they...and that thing was hella expensive!

I think witht he cars handeling characteristics already better by an Alfaholics susp there's no looking back...

what's your budget on this build if I may ask?
 
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