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Afternoon !!

For about the last 3 months the V6 has been making some awful clunks when approx half way between left hand lock and straight ahead.... Originally I thought it was the lowering springs loading up then releasing with a bang when turning the wheel due to a knackered shock bearing.... a liberal application of WD40 to the bottom of the spring and up towards the top of the shock seemed to stop the clunking for at least a couple of weeks. As all else seemed well I've not been particularly worried.....until the weekend before last when from one evening til the next morning the whole front end of the car seemed to detach itself from the rest...literally I drove home Friday evening and parked up, the car felt tight and had been handling well and the following morning I got up went out for a drive to find the car had developed a tendancy to change lanes....on it's own.... and the clunk had come back with more ferocity than ever before (It can now be heard over the stereo on at any volume and can be felt through the floor by rear seat passengers...let alone those up front :eek: :eek: )
I've had it at my local garage and they've had a look all around, they only thing they can come up with is play and clucking in the steering rack, It passes all the wobble-wheel type tests etc, the track rod ends are less than 6 months old and are fine, I don't have evidence of the wishbones being changed but I've been assured that there is no play in the bushes or ball joints.......the only thing that seems a little suspect is that when the car is on the ground you can move the steering wheel through approx 1" without it having any effect on the front wheels...... :eek:
The mechanic that looked at it is not fishing for money as although he's susggested the steering rack at fault he said it would be a job he'd really want to do and I should take it to an Alfa place.....
The cars a 96 widebodied V6 and its done 110k now.... before I go and fork out a bear minimum of £300 to purchase a recon steering rack and have it fitted what do you guys (and gals) think ? :)

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erm...apologies for the length of that....didn't seem that much when I was typing !!!!!

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My Dad had a similar problem on his 164 cloverleaf, it was the wishbone bolts which were tight but not tight enough, could try nipping them up and see, there could be just a small amount of play causing a clunk and drifting lanes.
hope it doesnt cost you too much! ;) :rolleyes:
 

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Worth a look, I've just read something about wishbone bolts not tighting up properly in another thread... certainly worth a look !...
I was thinking (more hoping !!) that when the cars on the deck its got the whole weight of itself effectively holding the wheels straight but when it was in the air it was held one of those ramps that has the swinging bars that lift the car rather than one you drive onto so even though the mechanic chap was under there with a large bar look for play it still might appear as though the wishbones etc were fine ...maybe ...possibly.....!
 

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Might be the steering rack mounting rubbers have worn/split dropped off :eek: :eek: especially if you`ve got a lot of "free play" on the steering wheel...................but if there`s that much you should see what`s moving

Try putting on a pit or flat ramp and rocking the steering wheel side to side while someone looks at all the steering joints /mounts etc and yuo will see the movement ;) :D
 

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I would have thought it is a classic case of cream crackered strut top bearings. :confused: Failing that, I would suspect a partly seized or worn steering column UJ. :rolleyes: I suggest you disconnect both the track rod ends from the hub carriers to see if the problem exists in the steering gear or the strut assemblies. You may still have to then try to turn the steering by the roadwheels with the weight of the car on then if you can't detect the problem with the wheels hanging. (Both sides should be supported at the same time).
That said, Speedy's probably hit the nail on the head :)
 

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Might be the steering rack mounting rubbers have worn/split dropped off :eek: :eek: especially if you`ve got a lot of "free play" on the steering wheel...................but if there`s that much you should see what`s moving

Try putting on a pit or flat ramp and rocking the steering wheel side to side while someone looks at all the steering joints /mounts etc and yuo will see the movement ;) :D
From memory the Rack is bolted straight to the sub-frame so there are no rubbers to wear or perish but you could check the torque of the bolts (43-47Nm or 4.4-4.8Kgm)
 

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Thanks folk, I will see if I can find somewhere with a drive on ramp to have a look under it.... and I'll get them to check the tighness of the rack mountings and wishbone mountings etc.... I've checked the joints in the column the play is not there.... there's actually more than an inch, it's more like 10 degrees of movement in the steering wheel that is not reflected in the road wheels....you can hear the power steering pump whirr when you move past the play or with the engine off you feel the change in weight when it connects...if you know what I mean !!.....

Hope it's not the rack....alfa want 257+VAT for a recon and 560 +VAT for a new one.....plus some fitting etc.... can't afford that right now..... is it likely to fail an MOT for play in the steering cause that's at the end of this month !! :(
 

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I think the top mount bearing theory could well be right. As all the bits are connected the sound and cluck would travel along them.

The bearings are a lot cheaper than a new rack...
 

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... just spent an hour driving from one garage to another on the recommendation of the last....y' know "Go see so and so and Bobs Motor's he'll know summat about Alfa's..." finally ended up in a garage at the back of semi-detached house surrounded by partial restored e-types talking to a very nice man who used to be an Alfa mechanic and is now a renowned car restorer..... without even jacking the car up he diagnosed the fault as the wrong trackrod ends on the car :eek: .....they were done about 6 months ago and over time what had been a little bit of slack has become a lot, now he's pointed it out I'm amazed I never spotted it let alone the guy that had it on a ramp yesterday.......then again I knew they'd been done so I'd not paid any attention to them...... Anyhoo, it's definitely not the rack which is a huge relief and a may just have found a local guy who'll look after my Alfa for me!!! :D :D :D

....hhhmmm....just thinking.... seen as I've spent the last 24 hours preparing myself and the other half for spending upwards of £300 getting my car MOT'd and now I'm not going to need to..... maybe I should get me a squadra....... :D
 

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Raging !!!!!!!!!!!!

The missus would never allow it............but she'd never know......................
 
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dj, can you tell me who this guy is? I'm in the market for a competent local dude willing to look after an Alfa or two.
 

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djstanley..... without even jacking the car up he diagnosed the fault as the wrong trackrod ends on the car :eek: ..... :D[/QUOTE said:
Funny you should say that. I had a track rod end fail a while back and it took 3 attempts to get one that fit properly. One of the wrong ones went on OK...but the taper was too small. If one were inexperienced, unscrupulous or both, it would be quite easy to stick with that particular wrong one and get away with it for a while....maybe that's what happened??? :confused:

No surprise that each time I went round the loop of trying to get the right part it got more expensive of course...flippin' fat V6.....
 
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Damn!!! I nearly suggested the track rod ends as I know Speedy had problems finding the right part for his :rolleyes:

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@bw - I've got it booked in with him next tuesday, I'm see how willing he is to take on Alfa's - the guy had a garage and yard full of e-types at various stages of restoration, a few MG's and the only Bitter Cabriolet in the country which was there for a nut and bolt rebuild.... He was very friendly and helpful but I dont want to jump the gun as he may well not be that interested in fixing modern Alfa's... Don't want that to sound funny and if he wants the business (and providing he doesn't pull my pants down aswell !!) then I'll definitely post his details.......

@ChrisS - Main dealer just quoted me £34 ish + VAT each...... the ones that are knackered/incorrect cost £11 .... thinking about it £11 doesn't sound like enough.... I should have been suspicious then.......... just relieved it isn't the rack..!

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I had a very similar fright some months back. Lots of knocks and clunks and hard to work out where they were from.

The general diagnosis was a knacked steering rack and the cost was horribly close to £500 :( - then a well worn anti-roll bar drop-link was found, replaced, and the all was happy again :)

The slack in the ant-roll bar was apparantly allowing the steering arm angle to become acute enough that the small amount of wear it already had (I`ve done a lot of miles) translated into big knocks. I con`t say that I understand that reasoning all that well, but its ceratily fixed now :)

Diagnosis of a knacked rack was gived by a certain VERY well known independant specialist in Yorkshire during a major service. It was confirmed again a month later by the same people when I asked them to check again to be sure. Getting suspicious with this specialists quality of work I went to the local delaer who took 5 minutes to spot the drop-link problem (and the part was £39). Believe me, when they showed me the part they took off it looked like it had been through a blender - it was completely worn out, rubber missing from the joints and everything.

Hmmm. Specialists Vs Dealers. It a tough decision for some, but not for me anymore.

(PS, sorry I`m talking about my 156, not the 155, but the moral is the same)
 
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£39 !!!
Anti-roll bar drops links are £10 at my dealer :confused:
Am I thinking of the same part ????
 

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DJ it sounds as though you need the" bigger "track rod ends ie they have a bigger taper.................be warned as the main dealer`s i spoke to don`t have them listed on there current Part`s CD :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

My guess is they are also bent at the end and not straight ;)

If you want the part number`s i`ve got em written down at work :D :D

Btw even with the chassis number they could`nt get the right one`s for mine :confused: :confused: Had to seek assistance from Mr Wrinx :D :D least he`s usefull for sumat :rolleyes: :p :p :cheese:
 
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