[a17esh]

HOW?

HOW?

HOW?

Im getting proper angry at this bolt, its by far the hardest thing ive every come across!

Ive bent a spanner, no joy......

Please tell me in detail how you do this? Is there a took i can buy?

Also, do I really need to put it back in?

 

[Aryan]

Change the car:lol::lol:

 

[a17esh]

im gonna kill the car

 

[zulu ferret]

Pics on location of same?

 

[ChrisS]

.....I strongly suspect that if he could take a picture...he could get it undone.....

My money would be that it's the top inner one. Accessible easily enough with the engine in front of you given the exact right length of socket extender.

You could get away with two as the starter is dowelled in....but it would be better with all 3 in the longer term. Put it this way.....do you ever want to be going back in there to fix it?

 

[zulu ferret]

Just a thought on my part, as with my Lannie's or was it FIATS, or maybe it was both?? Looooooong 3/8" drive socket extension 'T' bar then ratchet, was the only way to get at em'? But, after removal of the inner wing plastic arch all was easily seen, hence my piccie request? Never removed the starter on the Alfa, but similar layout maybe?

 

[ChrisS]

The problem with the V6 is the starter is sandwiched between exhaust manifold and block, plus there is an oil filter housing with assorted sensors and pipes on it, plus for added joy, an alternator. It's basically a pig of a thing to get at at the best of times. You might get a long and convoluted socket assembly in there, but I think you'd need two people to manage it.

 

[purple145]

this bolt is the one that is putting me off doing my clutch, I remenmber a similar one on a 164, and it still haunts me....

Did not Dougie 166 do this a year or two back?

 

[a17esh]

The problem with the V6 is the starter is sandwiched between exhaust manifold and block, plus there is an oil filter housing with assorted sensors and pipes on it, plus for added joy, an alternator. It's basically a pig of a thing to get at at the best of times. You might get a long and convoluted socket assembly in there, but I think you'd need two people to manage it.

Hello Chris, was hoping youd pop by soon for a solution - or not haha, im getting a spanner made up tomorrow, hopefully this will do the trick. what a bugger to do! Its by the worst nut ive ever come across.......sometime I wish the alfa was a tiny tiny bit german.

I really dont wanna put this back in lol. Buy I like a challenge, if I do this im treating myself to a £25 steak with peppercorn sauce and astel cider with onion rings and chips!


Maybe dugs got a tool made up. Not even sure how to get it from the back of the car.

 

[Autolusso]

Hello Chris, was hoping youd pop by soon for a solution - or not haha, im getting a spanner made up tomorrow, hopefully this will do the trick. what a bugger to do! Its by the worst nut ive ever come across.......sometime I wish the alfa was a tiny tiny bit german.

I really dont wanna put this back in lol. Buy I like a challenge, if I do this im treating myself to a £25 steak with peppercorn sauce and astel cider with onion rings and chips!


Maybe dugs got a tool made up. Not even sure how to get it from the back of the car.

13mm ring spaner bent at 90d. most V6's we see don't have the top starter motor bolt in, we always refit it, don't want anyone working on a car after we have to think we leave bolts out

Ned

 

[purple145]

this thread from a 156 V6 may help, check out his bent tool fnark, fnark...

http://www.alfaowner.com/Forum/alfa...ugh-guide-to-v6-clutch-change-on-a-156-a.html

 

[ChrisS]

Sorry Anesh...I'm backing away from awkward car jobs these days. This job you are fighting at the moment reminds me of doing the clutch master cylinder on the 155 V6 at Xmas. Simple job....if you remove the engine and most of the dash first.....

That tweaked spanner looks like a handy tool, although it might end up being a slightly different shape on a 166 compared to the 156??

Would life be any simpler if you used cap head bolts instead perhaps?

 

[purple145]

Would life be any simpler if you used cap head bolts instead perhaps?

the 164 had allen head bolts on the starter, great until you round one as I did......just enough room for an angle grinder as I recall. Nightmare job,

 

[a17esh]

DONE....................whooooo, well only the bolt, actually isnt all that bad with the right tool. Got my friend scotty to make it up. Ill send some pics, looks very cool actually.

Anyone want one making up?

 

[ChrisS]

the 164 had allen head bolts on the starter, great until you round one as I did......just enough room for an angle grinder as I recall. Nightmare job,

It was my 164 experience that made me suggest cap heads....never had any bother with them myself, but I can see how it would be a PITA to get one out if it got rounded.....

 

[a17esh]

I was worried about rounding my nut............I dont even want to think of how much hassle it would cause.

Dont blame you for staying away from this, im just getting into it. these alfa are really hard on the wallet lol

 

[Pomeo]

:cheese:

Change the car:lol:

He already has and its not even a race aryan

im gonna kill the car

Again?:cheese:

13mm ring spaner bent at 90d. most V6's we see don't have the top starter motor bolt in, we always refit it, don't want anyone working on a car after we have to think we leave bolts out

Ned

I am like the batchelors ned..I believe. BUt wie awe those years in the trade..Not being a Rangers supporter you cannae blame it oan ra boogie. But be a Beach Boy and blame it oan BAD VIBRATIONS:thumbs::cheese:

DONE....................whooooo, well only the bolt, actually isnt all that bad with the right tool. Got my friend scotty to make it up. Ill send some pics, looks very cool actually.

Anyone want one making up?

Yip Everbudy needs a Scotty....except us Scotties..Oor Scotty is no as guid as Eshyies Scotty and No in the same league as thon Canadian Scotty that Capt Kirk..No No Broadfit. The wan wie klingoans on ra starboard bow.:wow:

I was worried about rounding my nut............I dont even want to think of how much hassle it would cause.Dont blame you for staying away from this, im just getting into it. these alfa are really hard on the wallet lol

Never mind the pain wie nae gain. Whit Eshy huz a man purse.:cheese:

I think I must be dayin summit wrang...BUT there is the Portuguese ebaying bushman (No even an Aboriginal)selling the bushes fur the rear swinging arm...BUT at 90 squid yer better buyin a new wan.

Moi Ayl wait fur ra cearance sail.:cheese:

Pomeo

 

[robcarrera32]

Sorry Anesh...I'm backing away from awkward car jobs these days. This job you are fighting at the moment reminds me of doing the clutch master cylinder on the 155 V6 at Xmas. Simple job....if you remove the engine and most of the dash first.....

That tweaked spanner looks like a handy tool, although it might end up being a slightly different shape on a 166 compared to the 156??

Would life be any simpler if you used cap head bolts instead perhaps?

I agree.
On my german car there are allen cap heads for starter motor, in fact one is a nut (on a stud obviously) that looks like a giant hula-hoop when it falls off.

 

[a17esh]

This is what was made up. I think cap heads would be harder to get to, if its what i think they are (just allen bolts). This worked a TREAT a much needed tool for the 166.

 

[a17esh]

toolllll

didnt attach to my 1st post