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If you have 002.009.xxx then you have the old hardware. This is not compatible with AA/ACP.
Very strange for a 2019 model BTW
(latest software version for this old hardware is 002.009.055)
You can get new hardware (new headset) for quite a bit of money, but in that case you still will not get AA/ACP as Alfa will not enable it, unless it was part of the original car spec.
I know that’s what I find it weird.. I will speak to the them and see why this is ?
You could check your VIN number. Last letter in VIN (10th character) indicates make year (H=2017, I=2018, J=2019). Not sure how accurate it is for checking AA/CP compatibility, better to check with your dealer.
Edit: The above might not be accurate at all. I see some supposed 2018/2019 VINS having letter "K" but all 2017 ones i checked had letter "H".
Edit2:
2019 VINS:
- Petrol VELOCE = "J"
- Petrol 200 HP = "K"
- Diesel Veloce = "K"
- Diesel 150 HP = "K"
2018 VINS:
- Diesel 180 HP = "J"
- Petrol Veloce = "I"
- Diesel 150 HP = "H"
2017 VINS:
- QV = "H"
- Diesel Veloce = "H"
- Diesel 180 HP = "H"
- Diesel 150 HP = "H"
2016 VINS:
- Diesel 150 HP = "H" and "0" (zero)
- Diesel 180 HP = "0" (zero)
Letters seem to overlap a bit.
Edit: The above might not be accurate at all. I see some supposed 2018/2019 VINS having letter "K" but all 2017 ones i checked had letter "H".
Edit2:
2019 VINS:
- Petrol VELOCE = "J"
- Petrol 200 HP = "K"
- Diesel Veloce = "K"
- Diesel 150 HP = "K"
2018 VINS:
- Diesel 180 HP = "J"
- Petrol Veloce = "I"
- Diesel 150 HP = "H"
2017 VINS:
- QV = "H"
- Diesel Veloce = "H"
- Diesel 180 HP = "H"
- Diesel 150 HP = "H"
2016 VINS:
- Diesel 150 HP = "H" and "0" (zero)
- Diesel 180 HP = "0" (zero)
Letters seem to overlap a bit.
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I have an early 2018 Petrol Veloce with the AA/ACP head unit and the 10th character in the VIN is a J, so the cutover to Js in 2018 might have happened quite early.
The letter change certainly doesnt seem to be by calendar year...
The letter change certainly doesnt seem to be by calendar year...
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yes mine is an 18 car registered in February 19.
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A lot was said, but I will try to summarize and add my two cents (IMPORTANT NOTE, please also look at post 11 additional requirements to avoid locking your radio for AA/ACP forever)
As far as I know, for Europe, cars manufactured since mid Nov 2017 have new radio hardware, and so firmware number starting from at least 051.xxx.xxx (I think rather starting from 056.xxx.xxx, 051s were for US market manufactured since July 2017). To me it looks like your car was manufactured then in 2017? You can confirm the date with dealer, ask them to go to ePer and put your VIN in - there is manufacturing date visible then (you can try also old 2017 copy on keyper.pekidi.com, but database ends sometime mid 2017). In Poland, manufacturing date is on official registration documents, and cars from previous years are cheaper (in Poland value of the car is condition/mileage and manufacturing year, bit different to a lot of west EU countries where registration year is considered not manufactuing year).
In terms of VIN number letter. My Veloce was ordered on 26th Feb 2018, manufactured early April 2018, delivered 25 May 2018. 10th letter of VIN is J. I had new infotainment hardware (I ordered also AA/CP), delivered with firmware 059.xxx.xxx (this year I got radio replaced by dealer due to a few issues, have now 080.002.047).
To get AA/CP working on the car note following:
1.New type of radio (fw starting 051.xxx.xxx but must be upgraded to at least fw 056.xxx.xxx available on Forum) is required
2.2nd hand radios are useless at the moment - nobody succeeded to make it to work yet, but some guys on Polish forum are trying to get one guy from Italy, who has contacts everywhere in FCA related factories, to find out if anything can be done to make it operational. Right now only brand new (never plugged to any car) replacement radios are good/easy path, though they are super expensive (order of EUR1200 or so).
3.Wiring etc is compatible on on old cars (At least these manufactured from sep 2016, there is separate schematics for older, I haven't compared it for any differences)
4.Activation of AA/CP requires changing USB hub in armrest for the dual one (cost around EUR250) - it looks that there is some license-like (for AA/CP)chip there which is required for successful activation of AA/CP, otherwise no effect
5.To activate AA/CP you need to connect with Witech2 (Dealer have such), and in ETM module (radio) there is a setting called more or less (can't remember) Apple CarPlay something something, you enable it, disconnect Witech, close car for a few minutes (radio requires reset), and since then it is working.
As far I'm aware of only 1 guy (@kgb) activated it on 2018 Stelvio which was new hardware car originally but ordered without AA/CP option. I do not know anybody who did it on older hardware cars, though know that one guy with early 2017 Stelvio, who had radio replaced on warranty, got exactly the same part number/firmware (080.xxx.xxx) as I got, so seems path of upgrading old cars with AA possible, though expensive (until there will be discovered path of using 2nd hand radios, as such are available from crashed cars for cheap EUR100 order as far as I seen).
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Hi all, first post here, and excited to be *hopefully* joining the Alfa community soon. You have all been an incredible resource while researching the intriciacies of the Carplay issue, so thanks for all the help thus far.
I've read this whole thread, but I'm still a bit confused and wanted to ask for an opinion if anyone is willing to help. I've located a Stelvio, with a 7C series VIN number. I'm going to call tomorrow to request the firmware version off the infotaintment kit, as well as a photo of the USB module in the armrest, but on the original window sticker, the NAV is listed as 8.8–Inch AM / FM Bluetooth® Radio with 3D NAV. Nothing is listed about Carplay in any way, but I'm still hopeful with 7C vin and hopefully the newer 5 series firmware.
Question is, if this DOES have the "newer" firmware, everything would point to this being Carplay compatible, but is this something that I can actually have done? Do users think a dealership would actually install this for a fee? Or am I able to do this myself without jeopardizing the whole car? If this is actually the newer firmware, I'm in a pretty rare scenario, so just not sure how likely it is that I actually achieve the installation.
Thanks in advance for the help, and looking forward to joining the community one way or another
I've read this whole thread, but I'm still a bit confused and wanted to ask for an opinion if anyone is willing to help. I've located a Stelvio, with a 7C series VIN number. I'm going to call tomorrow to request the firmware version off the infotaintment kit, as well as a photo of the USB module in the armrest, but on the original window sticker, the NAV is listed as 8.8–Inch AM / FM Bluetooth® Radio with 3D NAV. Nothing is listed about Carplay in any way, but I'm still hopeful with 7C vin and hopefully the newer 5 series firmware.
Question is, if this DOES have the "newer" firmware, everything would point to this being Carplay compatible, but is this something that I can actually have done? Do users think a dealership would actually install this for a fee? Or am I able to do this myself without jeopardizing the whole car? If this is actually the newer firmware, I'm in a pretty rare scenario, so just not sure how likely it is that I actually achieve the installation.
Thanks in advance for the help, and looking forward to joining the community one way or another
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I do not know what means 7C VIN number. What is manufacturing date?
You need 2nd generation radio, so with firmware at least MV051.xxx.xxx or newer. To activate you need actually upgrade to at least MV056.xxx.xxx (MV085 is available on this forum to download as well). this means car manufactured >=7.2017 for NAFTA market or >= mid 11.2017 for EMEA market.
You need to add dual USB hub into armrest - carries some kind of license.
Super important is to have prepared proxi configuration in advance - bytes 115,157,161,163 - some cars may have it already good, others not. If you do not have that ready and try to activate AA/ACP you lock your radio forever in terms of possibility of turning on AA/ACP!
When you have proxi prepared (some say 2 runs of proxi required) you need to activate setting in radio, and it shoudl work.
Now, dealers can't modifiy proxi content with their Witech tool. Only official way is to get sales code added against your VIN in FCA database, then dealer resets your proxi config and you will get proxi setup they way needed. Problem is that this is not any official service you can pay for etc as far as I know - you need rather friend in proper place in Italy, surelly for EMEA cars (for NAFTA cars maybe dealer can add this - there is reason as they sold cars in 2017 without AA?ACP withp promise they will activate it later).
There is easier path though - you use 3rd party MES for amending proxi - but dealer here won't help.
Once you have proxi (and hub installed and at least firmware MV056), you need dealer willing to enable the setting - it is 1 minute job, but they may do not want to do this.
Numer of people activated it already, but those who were not lucky with prepared proxi, and didn't know in the time about changing it, locked their radios.
There is alternative method as well, you can put your radio to car with AA/ACP (but do not start the engine - unless you want to lock your radio due to car VIN change), quickly activate your radio, and put back to your car with already installed dual USB hub.
there is plenty of information on giuliaforums about this - all my knowledge is what it is written there plus my friends case of failed attempt to activate AA/ACP (he locked his radio as it was in the time knowledge about required proxi modification was not shared)
You need 2nd generation radio, so with firmware at least MV051.xxx.xxx or newer. To activate you need actually upgrade to at least MV056.xxx.xxx (MV085 is available on this forum to download as well). this means car manufactured >=7.2017 for NAFTA market or >= mid 11.2017 for EMEA market.
You need to add dual USB hub into armrest - carries some kind of license.
Super important is to have prepared proxi configuration in advance - bytes 115,157,161,163 - some cars may have it already good, others not. If you do not have that ready and try to activate AA/ACP you lock your radio forever in terms of possibility of turning on AA/ACP!
When you have proxi prepared (some say 2 runs of proxi required) you need to activate setting in radio, and it shoudl work.
Now, dealers can't modifiy proxi content with their Witech tool. Only official way is to get sales code added against your VIN in FCA database, then dealer resets your proxi config and you will get proxi setup they way needed. Problem is that this is not any official service you can pay for etc as far as I know - you need rather friend in proper place in Italy, surelly for EMEA cars (for NAFTA cars maybe dealer can add this - there is reason as they sold cars in 2017 without AA?ACP withp promise they will activate it later).
There is easier path though - you use 3rd party MES for amending proxi - but dealer here won't help.
Once you have proxi (and hub installed and at least firmware MV056), you need dealer willing to enable the setting - it is 1 minute job, but they may do not want to do this.
Numer of people activated it already, but those who were not lucky with prepared proxi, and didn't know in the time about changing it, locked their radios.
There is alternative method as well, you can put your radio to car with AA/ACP (but do not start the engine - unless you want to lock your radio due to car VIN change), quickly activate your radio, and put back to your car with already installed dual USB hub.
there is plenty of information on giuliaforums about this - all my knowledge is what it is written there plus my friends case of failed attempt to activate AA/ACP (he locked his radio as it was in the time knowledge about required proxi modification was not shared)
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probably waste of time. Based on experience of number of people, if it was attemted to activate already with Witech but without prepared proxi (your car was lucky I think, you must got proxi which allows activation), then probably this radio locked possibility of enabling AA/ACP forever. A few guys got locked after trying activation they way you did in your Stelvio. My friend also, and guy he knows with Witech/MES and access to other cars (in dealership), was not able to help - they even tried to move radio to different car, got code card for the radio, and still failed.
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