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On the verge of getting a Brera 2.4JTD and had a quick look at one today for sale in Sale (no joke!) at a 2nd hand car dealer (my wife whose car it will be loves the colour, not my 1st choice...!) :

Alfa Romeo Brera 2.4 JTDM 3dr

51k miles, 2009. But the only history was the book stamped three times at (from memory) 20k, 38k & 51k (none at an Alfa specialist). And they were all about 2 years apart as well. However, this dealer did do a full Service in February incl new cambelt, water pump AND new EGR so a pretty comprehensive refresh. But my main concern is the lack of invoices / long gaps between services. It's also done about 7k miles per year which I understand isn't great for a diesel ie) lots of small journeys....??? However the dealer also said they will totally flush & cleanout the DPF before sale - some sort of high-temp burning technique :thinking:. In saying that I will be removing / gutting-out the DPF / re-map via Gus at Alfatune.

The car looked in pretty good nick & started up OK first time (but ohhhh ... what a disappointing noise :censored: !! Ah well, I was expecting it I guess.... and the front left tyre was flat (to be replaced free). 6 month warranty included.

A plus point for me was the Sales guy really knew his Alfa's & Brera's and had a few more Brera's in incl 2.2 & 3.2S. And he said the figure was "definitely negotiable" . The were actually refreshingly honest for a dealer TBH pointing out a couple of things I hadn't noticed on the car, nothing major.

Sorry to bang-on ...... but I've never bought a diesel before (lots of petrol Alfa's though...). Does all the recent stuff what the dealer's done to it make-up for lack of proper history...?? Or is it a walking time-bomb? We really cannot afford any big bills .. and being a diesel virgin all this DPF / EGR / glow plug stuff & potential disasters they could throw-up proper scares me. Am I being paranoid? We'll be doing about 12k miles p.a in it.

Any pointers would be really appreciated, cheers!
 

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For that money I would walk away. For the price they are asking, it should be a cherished example with early oil changes and full invoiced servicing.

This company seem to be trying to jump on the high price band wagon but that only works with dealers like Veloces whose cars are exceptional.

I my self am looking for a Brera petrol at the moment. I have loved the 2.4 jtd 156 i have but I simply cannot have a car as stunning as the Brera with a diesel engine.

If economics dictate and your millage is high enough then fair enough but if you have the choice go petrol.

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For that money I would walk away. For the price they are asking, it should be a cherished example with early oil changes and full invoiced servicing.

This company seem to be trying to jump on the high price band wagon but that only works with dealers like Veloces whose cars are exceptional.

I my self am looking for a Brera petrol at the moment. I have loved the 2.4 jtd 156 i have but I simply cannot have a car as stunning as the Brera with a diesel engine.

If economics dictate and your millage is high enough then fair enough but if you have the choice go petrol.

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Cheers for the quick reply Mitch :thumbup: . I do agree it should have AT LEAST a complete history at that high price. He said its been on sale since Feb which says a lot I guess.......
 

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It does look expensive.
As for buying a car with an engine you are not sure about. Simple, don't do it. I have heard and read so many times where people get uppity when the car they own is criticised by someone else. That happens usually for one reason and that is not having conviction in what they have bought ;).

I had a turbo diesel Rover or two back in the 90's, brand new lease cars and I got on with them but didn't really like them much. The first diesel I owned was my previous Alfa GT 1.9. I agree the noise especially at idle was dreadful and did not improve much at all anywhere up to the 4k or whatever the redline was. The car went well and was economical. I was told by one or two salesman that it was the best all round engine for a GT. The best engine I'm sure is 3.2, V6 but the economy was obviously not there for my purpose.

I will say this 2.4 diesel actually sounds good inside the cabin when pushed above 3k. A mechanical growl is the best description I can think of. I heard it first in a Brera my mate had on hire from work. He also owns a 383Ci Dodge Charger, and we both felt a tiny eeny weeny bit of a V8 sound. :D

This is the best diesel car I've driven (I've driven a few VAG diesels too). I nearly bought a 2.2 Brera but I don't think I particularly like that engine. The 159/Brera is a heavy car.
 

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Guess it's a matter of personal choice but yes, that is very expensive. I recently bought a 2.4 and to be honest, I love it, power and torque is fantastic and unrivalled by petrol variants. I replaced the rear boxes and it's sounds lovely when pushed.

That said, DPF removal etc is obligatory, a wise investment if you choose to proceed. Otherwise, go with what your gut tells you. Life's not a rehearsal, have what you want, not what you need is sometimes good advice. :thumbup:
 

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That is a lovely looking Brera. Love Montecarlo Blue (your wife has taste!), and a very rare beast with those 19'' alloys and the natural leather interior.

It looks as though servicing has been carried out as recommended by Alfa - every 2 years or about 20 thousand miles (can't remember the exact figure for a DERV).

Mileage is nice and low and it sounds like it's being sold by a good dealer.
I'd be very tempted if I had to have a diesel, but like you the noise would be a big disappointment and not what I'd want in a sporty coupe.
12k a year doesn't sound much for a DERV. If this forum is anything to go by, diesels do seem to have a lot of issues.

I'd look for a good spec 2.2 petrol. You'll pay a bit more in fuel but less in repairs I'd guess.
 

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It sounds OK from what you say and the dealer sounds like they'll look after you. It's all about condition and how you feel about the car when you see it and drive it - gut instinct if you like. If the price is negotiable, the negotiate. Offer £8,000 and go from there.

There are a lot of people who think that buying a cheaper Alfa (regardless of condition) is a the way to go and the way to get a bargain. More often than not, people get stung and have to fork out loads of money to get the car right!

However, if your instinct is to walk away, then walk away. There will be plenty of others that will come onto the market.
 

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I came from a V6 to the 2.4 for financial reasons but it didn't disappoint. As you rightly say, it even sounds throaty inside the cabin at speed. However, I've had her 8 years now and I'm bored of the lazy driving style a diesel gives and want something more revvy!

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I have had the 2.4 diesel for 7 years and still love to drive it. I must say that the pictures show the bodywork and interior to be in excellent condition. Personally, I have mine serviced annually and mine has done 60,000 on an 08 plate. The only engine problem I had was when the glowplug control unit packed up but even then she will still start ok as long as it is not sub-zero. Do get the sub frames checked out as the Brera and 159 have a rust problem here. I have just had mine refurbished but some reports here describe subframes beyond repair and then they have to be replaced at around £1000.
Petrol and diesel have their fans ad their haters. If I had the choice I would go for the V6 petrol but the fuel economy is appalling compared to the diesel. I find the power and torque of the 2.4 great fun and have no intention of selling mine for a good few years yet.
 

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look very nice but it is expensive

given the ability i would of course have gone for the 3.2 V6 but a 70 mile a day commute to work means the 2.4 is the only Brera i could have. Its been a superb car, fast, reliable and not to bad on Satan's fuel. Subframe is the main think to look for. O and you need autolusso bushes to make the car steer like an alfa should
 

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I noted the front subframe (is there a rear one?) on mine is a bit more rusty than I'd like. I waxoyled much of it but think I need to re-visit that this summer.
 

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Is sub-£10k really considered expensive for a car of this vintage with low mileage, great spec and from a dealer?
I'll admit that I don't know much about DERV prices, but if it was a petrol I'd say it's priced about right.
I can understand prices for diesel coupes being less than petrols - it must be a much smaller market.
That said I'd still expect it to go for about £9,250.
 

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As far as I know, Waxoyl is designed to inhibit rust from forming but I don't think it will treat rust that is already there. I was about to created a separate post to describe what I have had done to mine. As this thread is to do with someone thinking about purchasing a Brera I will create the new post soon.
 

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As far as I know, Waxoyl is designed to inhibit rust from forming but I don't think it will treat rust that is already there. I was about to created a separate post to describe what I have had done to mine. As this thread is to do with someone thinking about purchasing a Brera I will create the new post soon.
It does have inhibitors in and will treat it to a point. Ideally though it needs treating properly. I'm not sure how bad it is. It is more than just surface rust though. Anyway off topic here, I look forward to your thread :)

It is a car for £2600 and if it becomes too expensive to repair I'd scrap it and start again :) My philosophy on daily use cars. Run then and burn them if need be :)
 

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Looks great, good combo of blue and tan. Price is fair too for a rare car. It would be a couple of £ more at the well known Alfa dealer.
 

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If the history was detailed. But it's not.

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