Alfa Romeo Forum banner

1 - 20 of 26 Posts

·
Registered
Joined
·
2,174 Posts
Discussion Starter #1
Hi,

I need all my bushes replacing but i've got a couple of questions, I've been onto my garage and he said it would be better for me to get the powerflex bushes and for him to fit them. He said labour would be £60-70 which i thought was very good?

What i want to know is on the PF site there's 12 which i think relate to the rear do i need all these, also is this the best place to buy them from?

Powerflex

As for the front wishbones, i'd been advised that instead of replacing the bushings is was more economical to buy and fit new wishbones, labout will be £25 each side but i don't know how much the wishbones are. Is this right or would i be better getting PF front and rear.

thanks for the help

Simon
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
2,174 Posts
Discussion Starter #2
the wishbones are £47 a pair on ebay and the PF bushes are £31.57 each side plus post, so i suppose new ones does make sense?
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
2,174 Posts
Discussion Starter #3
I've just been onto Powerflex and they've said i need a set of 14 at £251.44 delivered but there's a shop on ebay that does them for £188.90?

Didn't think i'd be getting all my parts from ebay but with the bushes and the wishbones that's a saving of over a £100!
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
7,453 Posts
For the fronts I would stick with OE wishbones, it's not worth going the PF route as the balljoint always goes first so it's not worth it. I'd strongly recommend replacing the ARB droplinks at the same time though, the rubbers on these do compress over time so it's best to fit new ones to the new wishbones.

On the rears the quote for fitting PF sounds very good to me! The trailing (transverse) arms are fairly straightforward, this is also an excellent upgrade, especially the two outer bushes. The nightmare comes with the springpan arms, these are quite difficult to clear out the old bush and then fit with new (the PF bushes are very tight indeed to fit, and often need the sleeves to be shimmed down quite a bit before they will fit). A good mod , however I would suggest that the OE springpans with the rose-jointed bushes (fitted on all V6 cars and certainly the later 2.0 JTS cars) is probably the best long-term bet. Finally the upper wishbones, again the same problem with the balljoint, the bushes tend to last longer here anyway so again if you're upper wishbones are in good condition I wouldn't bother.

If you do a search on this in the tuning section you will see lots of threads on this. Generally the PF job is a tricky one, even specialists such as Autolusso find it challenging! It needs to be done absolutely correctly for it to work properly i.e. all the apertures in the arms need to be 100% clean and lubricated before fitting the PF bushes, all the washers supplied must be fitted etc.

Hope that helps.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
2,174 Posts
Discussion Starter #6
thanks spider95, are these the drop links?

Fiat Parts and Alfa Romeo Parts from Shop4Parts

you've got me worried though about the bushes fitting, i'd thought it was a tricky but straight forward job to replace, my usual garage, an inde alfa specialist quoted over a £100 more for the job than a local garage but if they haven't got the specific knowledge might they mess it up and end up costing me more?
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
7,453 Posts
Yes that's it, the ARB drop link kit, not expensive and a good idea to replace when doing wishbones.

On the PF job. Put it this way if they haven't done it before then I would really pay the extra and take it to your Alfa indie (who presumably have done it before). It's a tricky job particularly the springpan arms and most especially the inner bush (this is the one that sits alone in the subframe toward the rear). It's up to you but for the extra money I'd take it to the Alfa Indie (if they're charging roughly £200 that's about right for this job). Certainly on the cheap garage if they screw up the subframe when fitting the bushes you're looking at £££££££££££££££s

Hope that helps.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
71 Posts
? It's not a hard job if you are at all competent in the workshop. I just wrote up a guide. As for making sure the inside of the appertures are clean when the bushes are removed; because the old bushes are pressed in there's no way grime or rust could get in.

Does someone on here work for autolusso and peddle for work?
 
J

·
Guest
Joined
·
0 Posts
? It's not a hard job if you are at all competent in the workshop. I just wrote up a guide. As for making sure the inside of the appertures are clean when the bushes are removed; because the old bushes are pressed in there's no way grime or rust could get in.

Does someone on here work for autolusso and peddle for work?
you will sometimes see Ned from Autolusso post on here, but he posts as Autolusso, he doesn't hide who he is :thumbs:

They have quite a good reputation for quality repair work which is why so many people recommend them
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
7,453 Posts
? It's not a hard job if you are at all competent in the workshop. I just wrote up a guide. As for making sure the inside of the appertures are clean when the bushes are removed; because the old bushes are pressed in there's no way grime or rust could get in.

Does someone on here work for autolusso and peddle for work?
What a cynical comment - and a thoroughly unsubstantiated one at that.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
181 Posts
Hi There

I just bought the rear polybush kit off of ebay for £165 delvered next day. All came in the correct pakaging etc. I am going to take my springpans etc to a local machine shop and get the bushings pressed out. I will also get the PB bushes and insert for the inner springpan trimmed by the width of the washers at the same time (on a lathe). These are the ones that people have the problems with. The machine shop charge £30 an hour and it should not take long.

I will let you know how it goes.

Berni
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
71 Posts
The washer trouble is with the fork / wishbone bushes. Ideally the outside of these bushes should be trimmed down a bit (the width of the washer) you will also need to trim down the shim by tht amount.
There is also a problem with the width of the spring pan bushes both inner and outer which need the inside of the bushes trimed down a bit. The shims on these are the correct length.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
2,174 Posts
Discussion Starter #13
thanks guys, i like to do as much work as i can but i don't like working under the car if i can help it and i don't have the tools to trim down the bushes. It sounds like it could be a bit of a pig so i don't mind £100 labour as it sounds very reasonable
 

·
Identity Confirmed, Authorised Trader
Joined
·
7,043 Posts
Hi There

I just bought the rear polybush kit off of ebay for £165 delvered next day. All came in the correct pakaging etc. I am going to take my springpans etc to a local machine shop and get the bushings pressed out. I will also get the PB bushes and insert for the inner springpan trimmed by the width of the washers at the same time (on a lathe). These are the ones that people have the problems with. The machine shop charge £30 an hour and it should not take long.

I will let you know how it goes.

Berni
Fitting Powerflex bushes properly is a difficult job and if you have to cut any part of the bush off or spring pan or thin the washers the bushes will not be fitted tight enough.

I have seen lots of peoples attempts of fitting Powerflex bushes to the rear of a GTV’s, I see very few done correctly.

YOU MUST NOT CUT ANY PARTS DOWN TO FIT

Ned
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
71 Posts
Exactly why must you not cut down the bushes? Strikes me you have not done this job before. You must cut down the bushes to fit; otherwise they will not fit. They are oversized: even a monkey could tell that.
The job is not difficult if you have a bit of patience. Jobs have you seen done before: Ha: even if you have you couldn't tell what has happened to the inside of the bushes once the suspension is rebuilt.
Mr Autolusso are you peddling for work?
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
71 Posts
"the bushes will not be tight enough...": what crud they are meant to move... they are a moving part. They are a lot tighter than the original bushes.
There shouldn't be any longtitudinal pressure across the bush, the shim should take any longtitudinal stress. The bush is meant to be a (relative to steel) soft flexible latitudinal spacer. So as long as the shim is the correct length and the bush doesn't move up and down the shim too much then everything should be fine.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
181 Posts
Hi

I certainly do not have much experience of fitting polybushes, and will not be doing my GTV till the weekend, but where I have in the past they did not go in so tightly that it was an issue. I have heard of people leaving washers off to get them to fit, and that cannot be good.

I am doing mine myself because it is therapy for me and I bought an Alfa because I knew it would need upkeep. It was an Alfa or a Lotus, and I fancied something a bit more grown up.

I will report back on what I found/did with my bushes.......

All the best

Berni
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
181 Posts
Hi

I have got most of the rear apart and have a question please. Two of the bushes are a bit different from the rest and the sleeve seems to pivot in the bush. I can move them through their range of motion with my fingers. One is the outer spring pan bush and the other on the long arm with the three bushes. They are constructed a little bit like ball joints with a small gaiter. Could these be rose joints? They do not feel loose as such. My car is a 2L TS and did have Eibach springs fitted by a PO when the car was a year old. Maybe he did these at the same time? The rear shock absorbers really are rubbish aren't they! I will get some Bilsteins, they seem reasonable money.

Many thanks... Berni
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
767 Posts
Some pictures would help...It is the 21st Century :lol: There are 14 bushes at the rear, so it's a bit hard to imagine them all at the same time.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
7,453 Posts
The rear shock absorbers really are rubbish aren't they! I will get some Bilsteins, they seem reasonable money.
Yes the rear shocks are absolute rubbish berni29! Bilsteins are good, also Koni Sports adjustables. You will notice a dramatic improvement with either of these!

I have got most of the rear apart and have a question please. Two of the bushes are a bit different from the rest and the sleeve seems to pivot in the bush. I can move them through their range of motion with my fingers. One is the outer spring pan bush and the other on the long arm with the three bushes. They are constructed a little bit like ball joints with a small gaiter. Could these be rose joints? They do not feel loose as such
Sounds as though you have the rose-jointed version of the springpan arm, which is the best version (only fitted to V6 cars, and the later JTS cars I think). The previous owner may have uprated the springpans to these? If so and the bushes look ok, I'd leave these alone. The rose-jointed springpan arms really are the best option, even over PF, if the bushes are ok.

Hope that helps.
 
1 - 20 of 26 Posts
Top