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So spent last 48hours awake getting back from a work trip to Asia. Got home late this morning, slept a while today and was itching to get out for a blast in my GT..Thats how these cars make you feel. :) Awesome evening on some really nice fast twisty roads. My car is finally as i want her to be. The new clutch allowing to put all the power down, its superb.
Its been in a few states of tune since i have had her, and then recently as predicted the oem clutch started to slip, so after replacing with a stage 1 JTD performance unit she is now rock solid. Its been really fun being able to put down all the power. The transitional gear change from 3rd to 4th is just so sweet, she just really shifts now. The hybrid turbo is just really impressive, and with the really good map Autolusso put on the car its so linear and responsive. With the hybrid turbo she is much more productive at the top end of the rev range. 4th and 5th at the higher end is so laughably torquey and pulls so strong right to the red line. I really can surprise some performance motors out there.:lol: People don't expect her to go like she does. Its a real q car now. Anyhow enough, just wanted to celebrate what can be achieved with a little bit of outlay and a bit of patience. New GTA brakes fitted soon once the 3.2 uprights are back from the powdercoaters. After all my woes i am starting to have real fun now, gaining confidence in the car, and learning all about the new characteristics of the map and hybrid turbo. Looking forward to hopefully getting on track soon. Be interesting to see how the GT copes at Bedford autodrome, with the gearing etc. Compared to the last time i was there in my modified Audi TT qs..:thumbs:

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So spent last 48hours awake getting back from a work trip to Asia.

Got home late this morning, slept a while today and was itching to get out for a blast in my GT..Thats how these cars make you feel. :) Awesome evening on some really nice fast twisty roads. My car is finally as i want her to be. The new clutch allowing to put all the power down, its superb.

Its been in a few states of tune since i have had her, and then recently as predicted the oem clutch started to slip, so after replacing with a stage 1 JTD performance unit she is now rock solid. Its been really fun being able to put down all the power.

The transitional gear change from 3rd to 4th is just so sweet, she just really shifts now. The hybrid turbo is just really impressive, and with the really good map Autolusso put on the car its so linear and responsive. With the hybrid turbo she is much more productive at the top end of the rev range. 4th and 5th at the higher end is so laughably torquey and pulls so strong right to the red line.

I really can surprise some performance motors out there.:lol: People don't expect her to go like she does. Its a real q car now. Anyhow enough, just wanted to celebrate what can be achieved with a little bit of outlay and a bit of patience.

New GTA brakes fitted soon once the 3.2 uprights are back from the powdercoaters. After all my woes i am starting to have real fun now, gaining confidence in the car, and learning all about the new characteristics of the map and hybrid turbo. Looking forward to hopefully getting on track soon.

Be interesting to see how the GT copes at Bedford autodrome, with the gearing etc. Compared to the last time i was there in my modified Audi TT qs..:thumbs:

Damien.
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So spent last 48hours awake getting back from a work trip to Asia. Got home late this morning, slept a while today and was itching to get out for a blast in my GT..Thats how these cars make you feel. :) Awesome evening on some really nice fast twisty roads. My car is finally as i want her to be. The new clutch allowing to put all the power down, its superb.
Its been in a few states of tune since i have had her, and then recently as predicted the oem clutch started to slip, so after replacing with a stage 1 JTD performance unit she is now rock solid. Its been really fun being able to put down all the power. The transitional gear change from 3rd to 4th is just so sweet, she just really shifts now. The hybrid turbo is just really impressive, and with the really good map Autolusso put on the car its so linear and responsive. With the hybrid turbo she is much more productive at the top end of the rev range. 4th and 5th at the higher end is so laughably torquey and pulls so strong right to the red line. I really can surprise some performance motors out there.:lol: People don't expect her to go like she does. Its a real q car now. Anyhow enough, just wanted to celebrate what can be achieved with a little bit of outlay and a bit of patience. New GTA brakes fitted soon once the 3.2 uprights are back from the powdercoaters. After all my woes i am starting to have real fun now, gaining confidence in the car, and learning all about the new characteristics of the map and hybrid turbo. Looking forward to hopefully getting on track soon. Be interesting to see how the GT copes at Bedford autodrome, with the gearing etc. Compared to the last time i was there in my modified Audi TT qs..:thumbs:

Damien.
Thats the choice with these, you either spend a bucket load of cash on them or let it go like i have.
 

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Well I'd had a GT 1.9 for about two years and I'd done about 60.000km in roughly 18 months (after that the mileage had been shared with another car).
When I bought it I had to replace the AC pipe and some other minor things but other than that no problems whatsoever. I only sold it because a GT is not exactly a family cruiser. Well that and I wanted a 3.2 :)

It was one of those rare 1./2. owner breeds with genuine mileage though.

Not a GT but still.. also made an almost 5000km trip with a 156 to Ukraine and an almost 3000km trip to Netherlands. Plus some other shorter trips. They never let me down.
I did have to invest a fair sum at the beginning in some cars because the previous owners neglected to do a lot of things...
 

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perspective once again...

some marques attract modders and tinkerers who are generally looking for something out of the norm..

Alfa is one of those marques..If we really looked at it I would put a fair bit of money on some of the mechanical issues being down to people changing and modifying their cars ..

clutches are most often down to re-maps as are flywheels,the suspension is not great in standard form TO US..!
so we lower modify change.

most everyday drivers will be perfectly happy with the standard set up on a GT ,better than the average Honda or other commuter car at the price point and not as good as some of the germans at a slightly higher price point.

so we change them to suit our needs and this has an impact on reliability..a non modified GT driven normally by the average driver in either petrol or diesel guise is no more likely to have problems than any other cars of the same age with EGR ,DMF, DPF and Swirl flaps.

I saw plenty of JTS cars with 100k plus on them when looking for mine, and diesels the same..normally owned by an driver that drove it NORMALLY.

DD has gone for an abarth punto..this show he is looking for performance out of his everyday drive and I would imagine DD you drove your GT like you stole it, it had a questionable history and at leat half the stuff you had to do was within the realms of normal service items, not all of it I agree but some.

to own one of these you have to be handy with the spanners or have a lot of money, its simple.

its not a problem with the cars, it is simply an engineering trade off between performance and reliability.

a Honda Civic 1.6 will last 500k with minimal maintenance but they push out 110 bhp in a very civilised manner, the emphasis by honda was on longevity on these cars.

the R type could however cost you at least the same money to maintains as an alfa at the same age if it has a sketchy history, as the engineering compromise has been made to increase performance.

every action has an equal and opposite reaction and as we are not engineers we don't really not what that will be until we do the Mod, so gents if your completely stock unmolested alfa with a FSH goes wrong be upset.

but if your tweaked modded car starts to cause issues man up and take some responsibility.

my car is pushing out 25% more than design too by alfa..if it blows up its at least in some part my fault.
 

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My 3.2 just works. I will get round to sharpening the suspension at some stage, but in the main I just feed it copious quantites of petrol. Don't think I've need to do any non-routine maintenance in the 18 months I've been driving it.
 
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Damien old chap, my car is very similar to yours in terms of mods, and I concur wholeheartedly! :thumbs:

My turbo has developed a little whistle of late, although I've been told this is nothing to worry about by a specialist I respect. Having said that...now then, about your hybrid turbo...:lol:

Seriously, what details can you tell us about the unit: make, type etc. How much did the unit cost, where was it from and how much did it cost to fit?

Would a new turbo mean that I would have to have my remap...er...re-remapped?

By the way, mine goes like stink too, but it seems yours might pull a little harder all the way up to 4.5K rpm?
 

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perspective once again...

some marques attract modders and tinkerers who are generally looking for something out of the norm..

Alfa is one of those marques..If we really looked at it I would put a fair bit of money on some of the mechanical issues being down to people changing and modifying their cars ..

clutches are most often down to re-maps as are flywheels,the suspension is not great in standard form TO US..!
so we lower modify change.

most everyday drivers will be perfectly happy with the standard set up on a GT ,better than the average Honda or other commuter car at the price point and not as good as some of the germans at a slightly higher price point.

so we change them to suit our needs and this has an impact on reliability..a non modified GT driven normally by the average driver in either petrol or diesel guise is no more likely to have problems than any other cars of the same age with EGR ,DMF, DPF and Swirl flaps.

I saw plenty of JTS cars with 100k plus on them when looking for mine, and diesels the same..normally owned by an driver that drove it NORMALLY.

DD has gone for an abarth punto..this show he is looking for performance out of his everyday drive and I would imagine DD you drove your GT like you stole it, it had a questionable history and at leat half the stuff you had to do was within the realms of normal service items, not all of it I agree but some.

to own one of these you have to be handy with the spanners or have a lot of money, its simple.

its not a problem with the cars, it is simply an engineering trade off between performance and reliability.

a Honda Civic 1.6 will last 500k with minimal maintenance but they push out 110 bhp in a very civilised manner, the emphasis by honda was on longevity on these cars.

the R type could however cost you at least the same money to maintains as an alfa at the same age if it has a sketchy history, as the engineering compromise has been made to increase performance.

every action has an equal and opposite reaction and as we are not engineers we don't really not what that will be until we do the Mod, so gents if your completely stock unmolested alfa with a FSH goes wrong be upset.

but if your tweaked modded car starts to cause issues man up and take some responsibility.

my car is pushing out 25% more than design too by alfa..if it blows up its at least in some part my fault.
Nice one Joe...What you saying i have to "man up if she blows up"..:lol:

The key is careful research and modification within the realms of the cars engineering capabilities. I never overdo it. And always do meticulous homework. My car has all the bases covered now, solid power everyday. Its takes a little while to perfect a machine. You have to keep an open mind to an extent. I knew my oem clutch couldn't take the new torque levels by the hybrid turbo. Yet putting the same yet new oem clutch on the car would have resulted in it slipping again a few months later. Its knowing the right people with experience on the matter to do it properly. Joel in holland has really been an education to me, what he is achieving with his 147 JTD out there with GTB turbo is quite something. And his car is putting out over 270bhp and a huge amount of torque all day long. And the engine internals are fine, driveshafts are fine. He runs WMI, to keep things cool with his FMIC. And at the moment is developing an even faster setup. So through Joels experience and experiments i know i am well within the cars tolerances.
The chassis setup i owe to Ned at Autolusso, the eibach kit has been brilliant. And with the uprated bars and 235 profile pirelli's is just unreal. The way this car grips in fast corners is beyond belief sometimes.
Im onto my last area of the car now the brakes. I just hope the 330 GTA setup with uprated pads is as effective as my Porsche boxster s calipers i had on my last car. Looking forward to having the confidence in my brakes. The oem stuff is just not up to the job after you add more power.

Damien.
 

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Should be just as good with the brembos. Both two pots too. Disks are larger on the Alfa. But then its FWD.

I'd imagine it depends on the condition of the calipers.
 

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Should be just as good with the brembos. Both two pots too. Disks are larger on the Alfa. But then its FWD.

I'd imagine it depends on the condition of the calipers.
4 pots Scotty..:)

Calipers will be brand new. Hoping for a big difference in anchorage..:thumbs:

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So spent last 48hours awake getting back from a work trip to Asia. Got home late this morning, slept a while today and was itching to get out for a blast in my GT..Thats how these cars make you feel. :) Awesome evening on some really nice fast twisty roads. My car is finally as i want her to be. The new clutch allowing to put all the power down, its superb.
Its been in a few states of tune since i have had her, and then recently as predicted the oem clutch started to slip, so after replacing with a stage 1 JTD performance unit she is now rock solid. Its been really fun being able to put down all the power. The transitional gear change from 3rd to 4th is just so sweet, she just really shifts now. The hybrid turbo is just really impressive, and with the really good map Autolusso put on the car its so linear and responsive. With the hybrid turbo she is much more productive at the top end of the rev range. 4th and 5th at the higher end is so laughably torquey and pulls so strong right to the red line. I really can surprise some performance motors out there.:lol: People don't expect her to go like she does. Its a real q car now. Anyhow enough, just wanted to celebrate what can be achieved with a little bit of outlay and a bit of patience. New GTA brakes fitted soon once the 3.2 uprights are back from the powdercoaters. After all my woes i am starting to have real fun now, gaining confidence in the car, and learning all about the new characteristics of the map and hybrid turbo. Looking forward to hopefully getting on track soon. Be interesting to see how the GT copes at Bedford autodrome, with the gearing etc. Compared to the last time i was there in my modified Audi TT qs..:thumbs:

Damien.

Enjoy .
I had my (standard ) GT jtd there a cpl of times and ran it up to 115mph on the straight
 

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Had my 08 170 Cloverleaf GT for just over 12 months & covered around 10k trouble free miles. I wanted a good, low mileage one & found one with just 15K (main dealer in B'mth). Dealer serviced and fitted new belt/water pump prior to collection.

Yes, I was well aware that the car could be a money pit, but the only money spent on it has been entirely my choosing (apart from 12 month service) so very happy GT owner!

All at Autolusso B'mth - thanks to Loz and the team

Underseal
Silicone turbo hose
Front Powerflex wishbone bushes
Service/EGR delete/blanking plate
Superb re-map -210 BHP

Like Damien, I drive the GT with a degree of mechanical sympathy, but love to let her loose when I can! So far the clutch is standing up well, but am prepared to upgrade when needed. Owning an Alfa is a very different experience, but now I feel that the car is as it should have been from the factory and as we all know - GT's look fantastic from any angle.

Love 'em!!!!:D
 

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4 pots Scotty..:)

Calipers will be brand new. Hoping for a big difference in anchorage..:thumbs:

Damien.
Sorry I meant two pots each side. I had to double check when looking.
Although most the stopping power will come from the larger discs.

I've never thought the Alfa standard brakes were that to be honest. never got them to fade or die out. (Would do on a track I'm sure).
 

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Just a thought. Are you changing the master cylinder? Or do you even need to?
 

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I've been reading, but not contributing to the other thread of Durty Dogs. I can totally understand where he's coming from and why he's had enough. Luckily I don't need to count on my cars for commuting, maybe I'd have a different opinion in that case. Having just replaced springs, dampers, upper wishbones, track rod ends and all drop links on my 159 Ti, I can safely say the GT is still miles better. The 159 is nice now, but it (obviously it's a bigger car) doesn't feel anything like as solid and together as my GT does. Maybe I was lucky in that mine was built for Chris Nicoll, the old MD of Alfa UK, and they took some care over the build.

I'm often thinking of what other cars I'd like to have, but I struggle to think the GT would be worth swapping because it's so good, it's such a joy to drive a GT that is solid, no knocking etc. Of you don't rate your GT's handling, take it somewhere to get it aligned properly and while you're there, get your droplinks dome for low cost.

I'd swap it for a Bentley GT, but no BM, merc, Audi etc.

But it's got a leaky passenger footwell:cheese:
 

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Just a thought. Are you changing the master cylinder? Or do you even need to?
No should be fine methinks...Scotty its when you have more power pure and simple, the GT's oem setup was questionable with std power and turbo. You can really improve matters with uprated pads though. Ned has some which will improve things dramatically...But i wanted to go the whole hog..Plus i am a tart, and want the beautiful calipers behind my smoke chrome clover alloys.;)

Chrissy lovely to hear from another happy clover 170 owner..:thumbs: Great to hear Loz and the lads at AL are keeping her tip top. You planning on any chassis mods? Or keeping her oem?

Alex didn't know your baby was "special":) Wow made for an MD always nice, i am sure the Alfa mafia made sure she was perfect..:thumbs:


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Damien old chap, my car is very similar to yours in terms of mods, and I concur wholeheartedly! :thumbs:

My turbo has developed a little whistle of late, although I've been told this is nothing to worry about by a specialist I respect. Having said that...now then, about your hybrid turbo...:lol:

Seriously, what details can you tell us about the unit: make, type etc. How much did the unit cost, where was it from and how much did it cost to fit?

Would a new turbo mean that I would have to have my remap...er...re-remapped?

By the way, mine goes like stink too, but it seems yours might pull a little harder all the way up to 4.5K rpm?
Hey another brother on Eibach pro S coilovers..:thumbs: Have you don't the ARB's yet. And did you go for Ned's different spec front Eibach springs on the front of your car?

My turbo is a Turbo dynamics MD556 Stage 1 Hybrid .

Here are the stats..

MD556 - Stage 1 Hybrid Turbocharger:

Hi flow GT22 compressor wheel
Re-profiled compressor housing to suit
360 degree thrust bearing
Modified turbine wheel blades to reduce backpressure
Blueprinting of turbo to motorsport standards
Max recommended boost pressure: 22-24 PSI
Estimated Power Output: 220-240 bhp


Basically she pulls like the std 170 unit but has much better flow further up the rev range..Also lightening quick spool with the uprated higher flowing compressor wheel and JTD performance free flow downpipe. And the new unit can take more boost safely. Its a lovely turbo. So well matched to the engine. My car has had a few map tweaks, the final tweak when my FMIC was fitted is the best, just solid torque all the way through. I needed a JTD performance stage 1 clutch though, as the oem unit gave up after a few weeks in that state of tune. My next phase is WMI, then another map tweak probably on a rolling road to optimise what i have properly.

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Had my GT for 18 months with no problems at all . Have made many subtle mods ,Eibach arbs the last. Christ what a difference. Is it wrong to say I am happy and enjoy my GT.
 
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