[Phase3dude]

Hiya has anyone fitted side skirts and front splitter from p2 to p3? Can it be done and or will it scrape on ground?
K rgds🍀🍀🍀🍀

 

[Nellytheroc]

As far as I know the side skirts for both are the same and Cup skirts aren’t any lower. They fit over the originals and just look lower. The splitter needs modification for the deeper grill. I’ve seen photos of phase 3 Cups which look awesome. I’ll see if I can find one and post it.

 

[Haan]

Hiya has anyone fitted side skirts and front splitter from p2 to p3? Can it be done and or will it scrape on ground?
K rgds🍀🍀🍀🍀

Absolutely fine

 

[Phase3dude]

As far as I know the side skirts for both are the same and Cup skirts aren’t any lower. They fit over the originals and just look lower. The splitter needs modification for the deeper grill. I’ve seen photos of phase 3 Cups which look awesome. I’ll see if I can find one and post it.

Are the side skirts and splitter bonded on or do they require holes to be drilled and bolted on? Or both? 🍀🍀

 

[Nellytheroc]

Are the side skirts and splitter bonded on or do they require holes to be drilled and bolted on? Or both? 🍀🍀

The skirt’s definitely need bonding on. They fit over the originals and there are holes that line up underneath where the screws go through.

As far as the splitter goes… the choice is yours on bonding, screws or both. I have just put screws on mine purely so it is easily removable as I use the GTV to pick up my grandson and they don’t have a drop kerb. I’ve put a screw in the curved bit just inboard of the air intake and a couple on the trailing edge.

once my grandson out grows the back of the GTV and I find a decent 156 Sportwagon, I’ll probably bond it on. The Spider splitter when it gets fitted will be bonded.

 

[Nellytheroc]

 

[Phase3dude]

Wow and double wow! I see what you mean by awesome. Those p3's look so gorgeous with the p2 kit. My Jts is due a respray due to the dreaded lacquer peal and 50 shades of pink that goes with it. That would be the place to start.
I guess the oem front bumper moulding is the same shape at the bottom as the p2 which allows the p2 splitter to sit right and the bolt / screw holes to line up.
Thanks for finding those pictures.
I guess ebay is the place to search.....
🍀🍀🍀🍀🍀

 

[Nellytheroc]

Wow and double wow! I see what you mean by awesome. Those p3's look so gorgeous with the p2 kit. My Jts is due a respray due to the dreaded lacquer peal and 50 shades of pink that goes with it. That would be the place to start.
I guess the oem front bumper moulding is the same shape at the bottom as the p2 which allows the p2 splitter to sit right and the bolt / screw holes to line up.
Thanks for finding those pictures.
I guess ebay is the place to search.....
🍀🍀🍀🍀🍀

Not sure how much modification would be needed but if you’re ever in Norfolk you are more than welcome to pop round for a trial fit. I’m not normally a fan of phase 3s (sorry) but the Cup kit really makes it look good.

Slightly off topic… what are your thoughts on the JTS? I may need to buy a slightly more practical car than the GTV. First choice would be a TS 156 Sportwagon but they are getting a bit thin on the ground so it might have to be a GT JTS.

 

[Phase3dude]

Not sure how much modification would be needed but if you’re ever in Norfolk you are more than welcome to pop round for a trial fit. I’m not normally a fan of phase 3s (sorry) but the Cup kit really makes it look good.

Slightly off topic… what are your thoughts on the JTS? I may need to buy a slightly more practical car than the GTV. First choice would be a TS 156 Sportwagon but they are getting a bit thin on the ground so it might have to be a GT JTS.

Thanks for offer but I am based in Bristol so a bit of a trek to Norfolk...
Regarding JTS. There is a lot of negative stuff around about jts which seems to attach to the earlier engines prior to 2004 and the issue of coking up.
My engine is late 2004 75k miles and it goes like a rocket. There is huge torque with my JTS and it is very free revving, but it has taken a lot of effort to get it like this.
The guy that looks after my Alfa (ex AR master mechanic) says that it is very much a case that if you get a good jts engine it will fly. There is the rub. But then it's the same with all makes isn't it? ....... Some drive better than others....I had a fleet of tdci mondeos.... Some were flyers, some were more reliable, some gave more mpg, and so on and so forth. I think the best way to answer your question is to walk through my experience..
I bought my p3 jts as a donor car for the p3s 3.2s I was refurbishing. When I got it it was not good to drive. It had an intermittent misfire, reluctance to go over 4k revs and poor idling and handling was woolley. But every now and then it would transform itself with surges in power, a kind of Jeckle and Hyde character.... when it was in a good mood I got an insight to how good it could be...... But then random misfires and poor running woes would return.... Hmmmm. She's a bit of a Diva I thought....
Over time I traced the problems to be
faulty thermostat causing engine to run too cold or sending wrong reading to ecu
Misfire caused by cyl3 coil pack connector on wire loom charred and contacts
carbonised.
All plugs were sooted up so new plugs fitted.
Upgrade oil to 60w10 fully synth.
Those fixes gave a more consistent base level performance but no zing.
So in search of the zing
New coil packs and denso tough iridium plugs torqued down correctly.
That made an improvment.
Ran 2 x forte fuel system cleaner through engine
That made a massive improvment, the transformation was noticeable on every drive as it worked through engine
Sports Airfilter and Alfaholics down pipe. Old downpipe very sooted up so flow restricted.
Another big improvement.
Latterly, Alfaholics silenced mid and ragazzon twin dtm unsilenced rear pipe
A noticeable improvement at higher revs.
Switch to Esso supreme unleaded fuel
Quicker revving and smoother running.
There we are then.
I think the jts engine is a very advanced engine for its day, what with direct injection and all else. The improvements I have made has enabled the engine to breath better and it now performs very well indeed.
I think all the oem environmental controls cause the jts difficulty breathing. If engine not maintained to a high level and restrictions removed wherever possible this inability to breath can cause a slow build up of problems Inc engine coking up. The use of high grade fuel and regular system cleaner does help and I would say is essential for this engine. Ideally, taking out the manifold cats would probably be the single biggest jump in performance but this would be quite complicated and expensive to do.
Hope that helps.....

 

[Phase3dude]

Absolutely fine

Thanks for reply,
OK, I get the p3 side skirts are the same as p2 so the cup skirts should fit p3 OK, but can you confirm the p2 front splitter will fit the p3 without modification?🍀🍀🍀🍀
K rgds

 

[Nellytheroc]

Thanks for offer but I am based in Bristol so a bit of a trek to Norfolk...
Regarding JTS. There is a lot of negative stuff around about jts which seems to attach to the earlier engines prior to 2004 and the issue of coking up.
My engine is late 2004 75k miles and it goes like a rocket. There is huge torque with my JTS and it is very free revving, but it has taken a lot of effort to get it like this.
The guy that looks after my Alfa (ex AR master mechanic) says that it is very much a case that if you get a good jts engine it will fly. There is the rub. But then it's the same with all makes isn't it? ....... Some drive better than others....I had a fleet of tdci mondeos.... Some were flyers, some were more reliable, some gave more mpg, and so on and so forth. I think the best way to answer your question is to walk through my experience..
I bought my p3 jts as a donor car for the p3s 3.2s I was refurbishing. When I got it it was not good to drive. It had an intermittent misfire, reluctance to go over 4k revs and poor idling and handling was woolley. But every now and then it would transform itself with surges in power, a kind of Jeckle and Hyde character.... when it was in a good mood I got an insight to how good it could be...... But then random misfires and poor running woes would return.... Hmmmm. She's a bit of a Diva I thought....
Over time I traced the problems to be
faulty thermostat causing engine to run too cold or sending wrong reading to ecu
Misfire caused by cyl3 coil pack connector on wire loom charred and contacts
carbonised.
All plugs were sooted up so new plugs fitted.
Upgrade oil to 60w10 fully synth.
Those fixes gave a more consistent base level performance but no zing.
So in search of the zing
New coil packs and denso tough iridium plugs torqued down correctly.
That made an improvment.
Ran 2 x forte fuel system cleaner through engine
That made a massive improvment, the transformation was noticeable on every drive as it worked through engine
Sports Airfilter and Alfaholics down pipe. Old downpipe very sooted up so flow restricted.
Another big improvement.
Latterly, Alfaholics silenced mid and ragazzon twin dtm unsilenced rear pipe
A noticeable improvement at higher revs.
Switch to Esso supreme unleaded fuel
Quicker revving and smoother running.
There we are then.
I think the jts engine is a very advanced engine for its day, what with direct injection and all else. The improvements I have made has enabled the engine to breath better and it now performs very well indeed.
I think all the oem environmental controls cause the jts difficulty breathing. If engine not maintained to a high level and restrictions removed wherever possible this inability to breath can cause a slow build up of problems Inc engine coking up. The use of high grade fuel and regular system cleaner does help and I would say is essential for this engine. Ideally, taking out the manifold cats would probably be the single biggest jump in performance but this would be quite complicated and expensive to do.
Hope that helps.....

Very helpful, many thanks. I’d prefer a twin spark as I know my way round the engine and have a variety of spares etc and if I’m totally honest, I’m not sure I want to have to learn a new engine but good to know the JTS isn’t as bad as some make out. Nothing is perfect and every engine will have pros and cons, it’s just a matter of deciding where you’re happy with the compromise to sit. Is the JTS euro 4?

 

[antonius_2]

The ph3 looks better in the flesh, photos do not do it justice. I've seen a few 3.2 ph3, and could not understand what people dislike about them. I would gladly buy one, but the prices are getting a bit too high, when you consider what else can be bought with that amount of money.

 

[Phase3dude]

Very helpful, many thanks. I’d prefer a twin spark as I know my way round the engine and have a variety of spares etc and if I’m totally honest, I’m not sure I want to have to learn a new engine but good to know the JTS isn’t as bad as some make out. Nothing is perfect and every engine will have pros and cons, it’s just a matter of deciding where you’re happy with the compromise to sit. Is the JTS euro 4?

Yes, strange, but when I put the reg of jts in to the Bristol ULEZ app it says it qualifies...
Whereas my 2000 twinnie spider does not......having said that, my 3.2s qualify, which I thought were euro 3.....I guess the mayor has a 3.2 alfa then🍀🍀🍀🍀

 

[Phase3dude]

The ph3 looks better in the flesh, photos do not do it justice. I've seen a few 3.2 ph3, and could not understand what people dislike about them. I would gladly buy one, but the prices are getting a bit too high, when you consider what else can be bought with that amount of money.

Yes, especially when lowered at the front, the drop nose p3s look awesome......i mean every time I take one out there is always someone who comes over to comment, or heads turning.... The 916s are a masterpiece of design.... I shall find out more about the splitter and fitment...... Not sure about prices these days but then I don't really care because to me they give so much pleasure (and some pain too) 🍀🍀🍀🍀🍀

 

[Nellytheroc]

Yes, strange, but when I put the reg of jts in to the Bristol ULEZ app it says it qualifies...
Whereas my 2000 twinnie spider does not......having said that, my 3.2s qualify, which I thought were euro 3.....I guess the mayor has a 3.2 alfa then🍀🍀🍀🍀

Always handy to know… not that I have any intention of going anywhere with a ULEZ.

Just out of interest… how do the headlights compare performance-wise for a phase 2 and 3? I believe the holes are slightly bigger on a phase 3 but not sure how much difference it makes.

 

[Phase3dude]

Yes the p3 has bigger holes for headlights. It does improve the night vision, the p3 does seem to have a longer throw of light, especially full beam.
One thing I forgot to mention about jts is that I can't get that lovely exhaust sound from jts that I get from my twinnie🍀🍀🍀🍀

 

[Nellytheroc]

I found a couple more pictures online that show the differences between phase 1/2 and phase 3 and fitting a Cup splitter. The lower air intakes on a phase 3 are different.

On a phase 1/2, the lower in takes aren’t as wide and there is an additional vent on V6s so this is the area that would need modification to make it fit a phase 3.

 

[Phase3dude]

Godamn it, don't send me pictures like this.... It just makes me want one more and more😭😭 I always thought the Spider looks better in p1 or p2 style and ugly with the p3 nose, but that p3 in white with the splitter is drop nose gorgeous. got the blackline rims too.... 🍀🍀🍀🍀 That has to be one of the best looking spiders.....
I see what you mean re the intakes. Also on 3.2 the one on the left is the intake scoop for oil cooler so won't want to delete that! But I think it's blanked off on jts
I signed up to Squadra 916 and asked where to get the splitter but no response yet.
I need to find out if the contour of the front bumper is the same for p3 as p2 though, probably best to offer p2 splitter up to the p3 to see how it fits.
Thanks for your research I want a P3 spider to add to collection now..... 🍀🍀🍀

 

[Nellytheroc]

Godamn it, don't send me pictures like this.... It just makes me want one more and more😭😭 I always thought the Spider looks better in p1 or p2 style and ugly with the p3 nose, but that p3 in white with the splitter is drop nose gorgeous. got the blackline rims too.... 🍀🍀🍀🍀 That has to be one of the best looking spiders.....
I see what you mean re the intakes. Also on 3.2 the one on the left is the intake scoop for oil cooler so won't want to delete that! But I think it's blanked off on jts
I signed up to Squadra 916 and asked where to get the splitter but no response yet.
I need to find out if the contour of the front bumper is the same for p3 as p2 though, probably best to offer p2 splitter up to the p3 to see how it fits.
Thanks for your research I want a P3 spider to add to collection now..... 🍀🍀🍀

I’m not normally a fan of phase 3s but the splitter totally changes the whole look of the car and it does look good. I’d imagine it’s not the easiest of tasks getting a phase 1/2 Cup splitter to fit a phase 3 but the end result would be worth the effort. No research needed… it just appeared in my Facebook feed. If you need any measurements for a phase 1/2 spitter, let me know.

 

[bathas]

Here some more examples.Silver is custom made I believe.But when Cup's spoiler is fitted, except the modification it needs,also hides the lower air vents P3 has.