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Hello all,

I am new to the forum and I am looking for some answers! I have just got rid of my Lancia integrale Evo 1 and am looking for a replacement that isn't so expensive to maintain (10k in 3.5 years :( ). Alfa's are cars that I like but don't know enought about, and I am looking for a trackday Alfa that fits in the 5-7 grand bracket. Any suggestions would be warmly welcomed. Many thanks.

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Hi Chap

Well you could go for Alfa 75.30. there rear wheel drive. or for less money an alfa 33 1.7 16v. striped out there about 800kg 137bhp.great car's had mine for the last eight year's.ive done loads of mods to it.ie put the 16v lump in it.which turned it in to a greater car in my eye's.plus if youve got abit of dosh to spend.then youve got a winner.

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Thanks for the quick reply. Are there any specific problems encountered with 75 ownership, and what should I look out for when buying one? Do they suffer rust badly?

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Dom

i dont know much about the 75's im more of a 33 chap. but i would think abit of rust will be in order.great engine tho.only bit of trouble mite be the inboard rear brakes.but as i dont know much about 75's.
if you do abit of surfing on the net you should get all the info your need.plus they still race both alfa's these day's.;)

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What part of the world do you live in? (edit your profile so we can see)...
75s don't rust much in New Zealand, but in England it might be a different story.
Most of my local Alfa club either race FWD Alfasuds (with 1.7 boxer engines and the short ratio gearboxes that came out in the early 1.2 cars) or old RWD GTVs (105 series?) with 2 litre four cylinder engines. It seems the GTVs have a slight edge especially on the 'power' circuits, except when it rains! Alfa 75s and '80s GTV6s haven't taken off as racecars over here - Sprints and particularly 33s are getting more popular since Suds seem to be drying up.
 

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I'm based in England, the home of rust, bumpy roads and stress cracks.
Ok - how about if the budget went up a bit? Are the GTA's worth looking at (156 / 147) or are they money pits? I am just too wary after owning the integrale and spending a small fortune on basic repair. And I just can't bring myself to buy a German car yet!
 

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As I was a Lannie' fan, which Integrale did you own? Were the stress cracks floor bulkhead related, or something like that?Difficult Stormin' Norman' machine to replace for sheer poke and performance on a limited budget though? Good Luck in your searching.
 

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You want a 33 P4 for a track car. The engine is pretty zingy and tuneable, the car is light (brakes still need beefing up) and the handling is imperious.

£1000 to you Squire.

Should leave plenty of change for mods'. Just make sure the synchro' is okay and the propshaft mounts are fine.


The 75 has a known issue with its UJ and gearchange (box is at the back, so it has a very long linkage). Nothing very expensive but a maintenance/service point.


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Thanks for the replies everyone - So a 33 P4 is the answer - I remember a mate had one in Chamonix and I did like it, however when I drove it the gearbox broke at 90mph, my only recollection of driving an Alfa! Where is the best place to start looking? Is there a specialist sales website I should know about?
Also, what kind of power can I realistically get out of that engine with tuning?

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This is second hand but I heard that the P4 system is a bit on the fragile side, probably better to stick to a fwd 33. Not to mention weight and transmission losses.

edward on here had a very well sorted track 33, he had about 180 bhp out of his 1.7 boxer, best to PM him directly, as he probably has not seen this thread.

guezen and AB156V6 track or used to 75s, probably worth dropping them a PM as well if you are interested in these cars.

Also worth popping this in the 75 and 33 lounges, a lot of the techie guys never come out of there :lol:


Thanks for the replies everyone - So a 33 P4 is the answer - I remember a mate had one in Chamonix and I did like it, however when I drove it the gearbox broke at 90mph, my only recollection of driving an Alfa! Where is the best place to start looking? Is there a specialist sales website I should know about?
Also, what kind of power can I realistically get out of that engine with tuning?

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edward on here had a very well sorted track 33, he had about 180 bhp out of his 1.7 boxer,

Also worth popping this in the 75 and 33 lounges, a lot of the techie guys never come out of there :lol:
Oi Vamos:tut:

Edwards car was very quick. ive bought his fiberglass boot lid off them as he's now breaking it to build a supercharged p4.
if was you, i'd go for a 33.as there such fun and light;) if youve got money AHM is place go get your engine done.all the race boy's go there.you can get around 230BHP from 1.7 16v.but its big money:wow: plus they do the whole car from ground up. carbon wings bonnets alsorts.you need to check there website out AHmotorsport.
if you go on the alfa uk chapionship. there is acouple of race-track 33's for sale,all with edwards own body kits.which have integrale style arches.but there not road legal:(

hope this helps abit more

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You could go for a GTV V6 as it's in your price range.

My mates done track days in a variety of cars (MR2 turbo, M3 evo, Lotus Exige) and said the GTV was suprisingly good fun. Down side obviously is the power is pretty much on the limit of what a FWD can handle.

I think you can get a limited slip diff mod from Autodelta for £1k which would probably improve proceedings. £100 for a strut brace. get some braided brake hoses, uprated suspension.... ok maybe your Lancia budget doesn't look quite so bad now.
 
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How about a 155 ???
Again a good one will be about a grand or less.

But...with your budget you could get a very very nice 156 V6 or 2litre 16v.

Saying that, my experience of the V6 engine in my 155's is that they make the car too front heavy and the 2litre 16v will easily keep with the V6 in twisty roads etc.

I do a bit of tracking. Used all my 155's from Silverstone to V6 widebody and also tracked my 156 2litre. All done at Knockhill.

I've posted this before, but the 156 does blow the 155 away for handling. Even though my 155's all had suspension upgrades and my 156 is on "standard" Sportpack suspension.

In the dry on a sunny day in the 155 V6 I lapped in 1min 15secs.

In the rain and soaking track in the 156 2litre I lapped in 1min 17secs.
I reckon I could break the 1min 10secs if I get out on a dry warm day....

The 75 with rear whell drive seems to pull out of corners better than my 155's and 156. The 75 2litre TS is an 8v engine and in my opinion the 8v, being chain driven is more robust than the belt driven 16v.

I found the 8v easier to tune up aswell...and again in my opinion, sounds nicer than the 16v lump.

But...as you'll know.....the newer car will handle better as it basically has newer technology....
 
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