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Hi Folks,

My recently purchased 156 has had major engine problems - pistons hitting valves and spark plugs - don't think thats supposed to happen :eek:

There's an engineer from the warranty company going to inspect the engine where I've no doubt he'll do his best to blame it on something I can't claim for :rant:

So, my question is, has anyone had any good (If good is the right word !) experiences buying new or reconditioned engines ?

Hopefully then I could work out my options (it's a 2002 1.8TS btw)

Thanks

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Folks,

I can't believe that nobody has had occasion to buy a new or reconditioned engine :wow:

Please please please let me know of good bad or indifferent experiences !

I'm about to have to buy one myself and would like if possible to do so with some background knowledge.

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I cant really help much as I did buy a secondhand engine but didn't fit it.Brought it from sherburn? based in Leads I think.

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Bought a s/h engine and only because the block was split it was the way to go, took the guys word that it had run before and got to say I was getting something better than I had already,having said that all the major parts were replaced known to give trouble and all the ancileries changed over, if you have an idea what your up against then it should be ok.
 

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You're probably better off rebuilding your current engine, it may save you time, money, and a lot of hassle. Replacement engines can be expensive to buy/have delivered (you'll probably have to exchange your old engine as part of the purchase), time consuming and a pain to fit, and any replacement will be a reconditioned engine anyway (not a new one).

I thought about buying a replacement engine when i had a cambelt failure about 18 months ago, but decided a rebuild was the best route. It cost me about £1100, mine was a middle of the road level of damage.

Whereabouts in the country are you. If you let us know then we can conjour up a list of specialists who will be able to help.

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Thanks for the replys,

I'm in Scotland - Glenrothes.

I got a quote of £1200 for Sherburn to pick up and return the car after fitting a replacement engine but I'm worried that it might be another bag of bolts put in - not that I've any reason to doubt them.

We are still waiting for the waranty engineer to make a report to see what they're willing to pay for.

The car is still at the stealers waiting to know it's fate - no nails left on my fingers !

A rebuild would be an option - get to know her a lot better - haven't looked after my own cars for quite a few years now - they're far more complicated but thats ok, wouldn't I need a lot of specialist tools to rebuild and fit myself ? anyone know ?

Any help much appreciated

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only specialist tool you should need would be the cam locking kit to ensure you get the timing spot on, you can get it from a few places, theres one on ebay HERE tho. apart from sourcing the new parts you shouldnt have much trouble rebuilding her.

that said, IMO £1200 for them to collect the car, fit the new engine and bring her back is a good price, a rebuild of my 2.0TS cost me £1400
 

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Cheers M & G,

I've never done a rebuild before, would there be a list of parts that should be replaced ?

A guide would be good also as the manual I bought from ebay is pretty pants - its hard enough to find a picture of something never mind a step by step guide as you would have got in a good old Haynes manual !


ps was 1400 for a garage to do the rebuild ? not just for the parts I hope, gulp.

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Hi Mikey, there a few of us nearby to you me being the furthest away, cp garage is very helpful he has a few spare cyl. heads for that model an can evaluate your own for an exchange then there 88dee and nialmorran on this forum and myself I will send you my mobile.]There is also Calum at checkpoint garage who has built several engines for other people and himself who has spares also. Its an interesting experience and you will learn more by dong it providing you have the time and place to do it.
 

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Mikey156 said:
A rebuild would be an option - get to know her a lot better - haven't looked after my own cars for quite a few years now - they're far more complicated but thats ok, wouldn't I need a lot of specialist tools to rebuild and fit myself ? anyone know ?
Apologies, when i suggested a rebuild i meant have a garage do it for you. An independant specialist is the best route. Altho £1200 installed and delivered sounds VERY good, if it is a reconditioned engine.
 

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you have to do the bottom end shells anyway as well as rebuilding the head, fitting new valves, etc or it will blow up soon after. I would reckon at least you have some guarantee with an exxchange engine from a trade supplier?
 

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Who is your warranty with Mikey ? The cam belt snapped at 67k on my 1st 156 which was back when they said 72k for cam belts. The car was in its 4th year and covered by a £1500 max claim warranty.

The warranty company did pay out the full £1500 and the total cost then at the dealer was £1560 that was about 3 years ago now.

From memory 12 valves had been crushed on mine. Has the cam belt failed on yours ? The engineer visit can just be to confirm the amount of worked required and confirm the amount they will pay towards repairs.
 
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The most expensive, but often the best route from my years in warranty is to a) find out what the warranty company will pay for b) find out what a NEW engine from Alfa will cost.

Then ask the warranty co for a bit more as the new engine will have 12 months Alfa warranty thus relieving them of much of their liability.

You make up the difference (yes i know...its not always practical, and it hurts financially) but you do end up with a factory fresh engine you can have more confidence in..and at quite a discount in effect.

Probably not a goer, but thought i'd mention it anyway.

Good luck whatever you do

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try and found out if the car suffered a snapped belt previous.
If its within 900 miles of purchase it may throw up a few interesting things.
Possible claim against the company who sold the car regardless of warranty.
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When mine popped i looked into a new engine from Alfa. I think it was around £1600 with 3 year warranty. I rebuilt coz it was slightly cheaper.
 

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Hi Folks,

We seem to have a resurgence in knackered engines interest :rolleyes:

I ended up letting the stealer replace the engine with an Alfa reconditioned unit, I also had a quote from CP garage in Dundee who weren't much cheaper in this case.

My warranty from Scotsure paid out their max of £1000 and I had to cough up an extra £1900........ouch !

The thinking is that if it makes the car run well for 3 or 4 years (thats when I'll replace the whole Alfa for...........another Alfa !) then its money I don't mind spending and touch wood......so far so good.

The re-conned engine is good but uses about a litre of oil per 1000 miles, I'm also thinking of changing the oil myself half way between service intervals - anyone else do that ?

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The re-conned engine is good but uses about a litre of oil per 1000 miles,
That's about right for a TS - they do that when they are new :)
 

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If any of you guys are looking at rebuilds or good used replacement units then you can drop me a line as i always have an eye on salvage or breaking 156

Can also recommend a engine builder with alfa experience,specially twin sparks

Just dont mention v6 and you should be okay:D

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Plz type in alfa engines into ebay search and you will see recon TS engines fullt fitted for £1150, these are reconed and supplied by my local alfa garage, they are very good and these guys know what there doing hence 12k and a 12month fully warranty on engine and work. I know the guys from Ital Motors and there **** hot they look after my car now.
 
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