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Hi All

Just joined up here and wanted to say hello and ask for help at the same time.

I have a dilemma,

Been into Italian cars since i was 5+...............now nearing 31! its time i got an Alfa :)

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For some mad reason i have had 4 puntos, 3 of them turbos but they are getting abit long in the tooth and i feel i need to get something more civilized.

The trouble is i want a V6 my wife thinks this is a bad idea and we should stick to a 1.6 or a diesel :cry: as it will cost the earth to run it.

She likes the 147 i like the GTV and the 156. The only part we see eye to eye on is it has to be be an Alfa! if we had the money we would get a GTA 156..............but we don't :lol:

So budget of £3000, GTV is out as we need 5 doors, so this leaves a 166 and the 156 right? im not sold on the 166 looks, but I am worried the 2.5 V6 will be a let down :confused: My GT should be around 160bhp as it is so i know the 156 has more power but it weighs shed loads more im sure.

What I am trying to get it is,

Does the 156 2.5 V6 sound as nice as the 3.0, are the cambelt changes as expensive and should i just give up on my dream of getting an Alfa as it causes allot of :tut::tut::rant::rant: lol
 

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The 2.5 sounds pretty much the same as the 3.0 V6

It is a great car, but the ones with veloce/sportpack have much better suspension. They also get side skirts, black dials, carbon effect console, 16" tele-dial wheels and either cloth recaro seats or momo leather seats.

The 2.5 is slightly smoother then the 3.0 but it does have quite a bit less torque so it needs revving more.

Cambelt changes will cost around £450, and most people reckon on 4 years or 48k being the time to change.
 

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V6 is the way forward but don't be put off by the oil burners. My 1.9 jtd mjet really does shift and I think he 5 pot 2.4 sounds quite nice. Think diesel fiat coupe turbo 20v! lol But my V6 155 does sound the nuts so its up to you. Now I've put the question before on here about the 156 SW as I think they look better plus they are, dare I say it slightly more pr*ctic*l!!!!......... Sorry almost keeled over from sensibility there. Nice punto by the way. Very tidy.
 

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Hi All

Just joined up here and wanted to say hello and ask for help at the same time.

I have a dilemma,

Been into Italian cars since i was 5+...............now nearing 31! its time i got an Alfa :)

Currently driving this



For some mad reason i have had 4 puntos, 3 of them turbos but they are getting abit long in the tooth and i feel i need to get something more civilized.

The trouble is i want a V6 my wife thinks this is a bad idea and we should stick to a 1.6 or a diesel :cry: as it will cost the earth to run it.

She likes the 147 i like the GTV and the 156. The only part we see eye to eye on is it has to be be an Alfa! if we had the money we would get a GTA 156..............but we don't :lol:

So budget of £3000, GTV is out as we need 5 doors, so this leaves a 166 and the 156 right? im not sold on the 166 looks, but I am worried the 2.5 V6 will be a let down :confused: My GT should be around 160bhp as it is so i know the 156 has more power but it weighs shed loads more im sure.

What I am trying to get it is,

Does the 156 2.5 V6 sound as nice as the 3.0, are the cambelt changes as expensive and should i just give up on my dream of getting an Alfa as it causes allot of :tut::tut::rant::rant: lol
Loved my 156 2.5 V6 (light metalic blue) sounds great, quick but not fast, not much low down torque and found it heavy on petrol (low 20's to gal) compared 2.5 6cyl BMW (low 30's to gal)
 

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Thanks for the help :)

My wife keeps looking at the smaller engine 147 or the diesel. The trouble is when i think alfa i think of a performance car......a V6........the noise, tan leather yada yada lol,

The Punto is pretty quick for what it is and i dont want to get anoyed with the lack of grunt. part of me is thinking is it worth getting the 2.5v6 if it isnt that quick, dont seem much point other than the sound.

Plus you can pick up 1.6 ir 2.0 146 for a good price.................god im getting old this thread is getting to practi$l
 
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Thanks for the help :)

My wife keeps looking at the smaller engine 147 or the diesel. The trouble is when i think alfa i think of a performance car......a V6........the noise, tan leather yada yada lol,

The Punto is pretty quick for what it is and i dont want to get anoyed with the lack of grunt. part of me is thinking is it worth getting the 2.5v6 if it isnt that quick, dont seem much point other than the sound.

Plus you can pick up 1.6 ir 2.0 146 for a good price.................god im getting old this thread is getting to practi$l
Get yourself the best 2.4JTD 156 10 valve you can afford. Its a brilliant compromise between a fast.ish car and economical one. The V6 is lovely but the MPG will get to you, and in the real world of driving where you are scudding around in the 40-70+ish MPH zone the 2.4JTD is very enticing and on a day to day basis, as fast as a V6 2.5. with over 40 MPG being perfectly realistic. The five cylinder sounds really good too. It only 'diesels' at start up.

Just make sure you get a well maintained one. Our 2.4JTD 150 SW goes in for its second cam belt change, and a water pump (precautionary) next tuesday. Its done 123,000 miles, 85,000 of them with us in three years, and its been brilliant really. I had a 164 24valve V6 before it, and yes I miss it, but I'd be broke if we'd had to pay for all that fuel.

I know i'm repeating myself, but the key is to get a well maintained one and be prepared to pay a wee bit more for an obviously 'loved' one. At this age there are some 'dogs' out there, so be careful with your money.

Go for it!!!

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Just have a go in a 2.4 10v ... they don't sound too bad for a diesel (obviously nothing like the v6), they weigh about the same as the V6 and can be remapped to about 200bhp, I've got a 0-60 of about 6.9secs which isn't bad
 

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on the other hand, don't be put off by the 2.0TS, they are much lighter and handle far better than the V6 and 2.4JTD ... just make sure you get hold of a good un as there are alot of dogs out there,


I spotted my old 2.0TS the other day, had a chat to the guy who now owns it and he'd picked it up a couple of months ago for £500, and it still runs sweetly (in fact far better than when I let it go as the owner in between us had had the engine completely rebuilt)
 

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I regretted selling my 2.0TS 156, it was one of the best allrounder cars I have owned.
 

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Thanks for all the advice, been thinking it through and as the car will only been doing say 6 miles a day we can look at the 2.5V6.

Been getting a few insurance quotes but im abit lost on whats what to be honest, the options i have are

A lusso
A Turismo
A Veloce

Ive done allot of looking around, read the Auto Italia buyers guide but im still not sure whats what. I hear people speak of the sport pack, i understand what it is but is that on top of the Lusso, Turismo etc? going to try and get a 2002 and we want leather and tele dials, side skirts and the slightly lower suspension so which one is that!
 

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The Veloce is the one to get.

The other two don't have the uprated suspension, and handling suffers quite a lot because of it.

They are too soft and underdamped, but even the Veloce version can be improved with decent aftermarket suspension.
 

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Does anyone know why its about £20 cheaper than a GTA to insure, if only i could afford one!

Its not too bad about £440 for a 2.5 and £460 for a GTA fully comp with protected no claims and one named driver, are they about £225 a year to tax?
 

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Hi and welcome to the Alfa world......I'm sure you won't regret the change. I have a 1.8TS 156 Veloce, in fact the second one I have had. If you are not in a rush to change hang in there and keep looking on ebay and Autotrader for an nice 156. They are a fantastic car. If I wasn't too concerned about the tax bill (Remember Mr Browns stealth tax here) and the mpg I woulf defo go for the 2.5 V6. The 1.8 TS is a little underpowered, but you can do things to sweeten it up. For 3k you should be looking at a newer car than an 02........be ambitious..I picked up my 05 Facelift with 8k on it 12 months ago for £5,500...ridiculous price....but you do get dealers who don't know the brand and let them go cheap...let us know how you get on.....Punto's are nice, I like the HGT, but once you have been in the Alfa :)......
 
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Thanks for all the advice, been thinking it through and as the car will only been doing say 6 miles a day we can look at the 2.5V6.
Six miles a day is calculated to wreck any engine, what with the cold start and never getting the oil hot, and loads of condensation in the bores.AAAGH. A V6 is not really warmed up until you have about twenty miles under the belt. I never used full throttle until everything was nice and warmed through on he V6, which if what you say is true, yours will never achieve.

I'm not trying to sound too anti, but what is the point in buying one? Its cheaper to have a decent poster on the wall and, lets face it, it will only do a few less miles ;)

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It would be used lots on weekends, i work 24 miles away and my wife is around six so it as the V6 would eat petrol then it makes sense for her to have to have it.

She wont drive it hard i know that, but on weekends it will be making the the millage, i bet of GTV owners and spider owners take theres out at weekends only ;)
 
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Thats fair comment, and I wasn't being entirely serious about trying to put you off. If its going to be predominantly short journey use, then just slip in an extra oil change over the recommended every now and again......has anyone explained that you have to employ a very strong armed very small person to remove the oil filter, and if you do take it to a garage double check its been changed, as some have been know to take a look at the filter position and not bother...but not any of our esteemed dealers and specialists recommended on here, I hasten to add.

Its easier do the filter on a ramp, its 'interesting' if you do it on the drive:D

Good luck finding a nice V6

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Aye! 156 2.5ltr v6.. not least because every proper Alfisti needs to drive the Arese v6 sometime.. :D

It's th last of the great Alfa engines.. and they don't make them any more. :(


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Thats fair comment, and I wasn't being entirely serious about trying to put you off. If its going to be predominantly short journey use, then just slip in an extra oil change over the recommended every now and again......has anyone explained that you have to employ a very strong armed very small person to remove the oil filter, and if you do take it to a garage double check its been changed, as some have been know to take a look at the filter position and not bother...but not any of our esteemed dealers and specialists recommended on here, I hasten to add.

Its easier do the filter on a ramp, its 'interesting' if you do it on the drive:D

Good luck finding a nice V6

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The handy thing is i already know a good specialist, he looked after most my puntos and he knows his Alfas, hes over at Gatwick and i trust him it will be a fair old treck to get it to him but i know he would look after it and do the job properly.

We are going to come down to your world record convoy attempt to see and hear a few! if you see a spearmint loud green punto thats me! ill stay out the convoy thou lol
 
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