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Alfa's always have and always will be hit and miss in the reliability stakes, since owning my own engineering business (engine recon) and having a bmw specialist next door, it isn't just Alfa that falls short
 

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I would imagine that in the case of engine failures most of the problems stem from neglect.

And that applies to any Marque, not just Alfa.
 

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Only just seen this thread, sad to see you loosing your patience with the 159 and the Alfa brand in general Al. I too, had enough at christmas with another expensive MOT failure on the GT and decided to sell and have plumped for a brand spanker BMW. Half of our workforce (5!) drive german cars, and to be fair, they suffer half the reliability issues I have had to put up with on our fleet of Alfas over the years.

Currently Alfa, have nothing to offer, other than a hatchback which I don't fancy and a 2+2 (effectively) and so I had no alternative but to try a german marque. I am hoping for better reliability and with the package I managed to get from BMW my servicing costs are built into my personal lease plan and it still costs me less than what I was paying on my GT.

The best thing for me about Alfa, as someone stated is the 'community' and not the mechanics of the brand.
 

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Most of my previous Alfa's were problematic as daily drivers, hence I finally gave up opted for a used 123d last year - that said, the BMW had the identical problem - new clutch and dual mass flywheel at 27k miles - thankfully under warranty! As a precaution I have extended the warranty, which will cost me, so it's not all gravy on the dark side.

The BMW is now 4.5 years old, looks like new and feels very solid, no clonks, rattles, leaks, etc - you get none of the niggles, which i'm afraid is down to poor development on Alfa's part.

The two remaining Alfa's I own get used occasionally - it seems to work better that way. BMW for work and Alfa when you want to drive something special :)
 

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Changed my 159 at 100k miles for a Merc B180 though to be fair I had very little go wrong with mine. I've written on another thread somewhere that I think Alfa source the cheapest possible components. My door mirrors dechromed, the power steering reservoir had to be changed, the front Alfa badge faded, the water pump started leaking at about 70k miles though this is better than some I've read about and worse of all, the paintwork was shocking. If I took it to the corner shop it came back with a stone chip. For all that, I loved the car and was sorry to see it go. I had a flyer sent from chris Variava in Nottingham the other week saying I should come and check out all the models in the Alfa range. That made me laugh, what models? They only do the Mito and the Guilietta. In any event it would be an awful long time before I spent money on a new Alfa. My compromise was replacing the 159 with a Phase 2 spider. If it turns out to be a fickle mistress then fine, I bought it for fun and I'm prepared to play around with it and don't have to worry about it being my daily driver.
 

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very sad to hear about your unreliable issues since driving italian cars my first being a fait 1974 124 st special got it with 280 000 km and did 300 000 km and sold it still running, i saw the main problem is people dont know what the @!#[email protected] they are doing when servicing the car, my 2005 stilo 1.9 when setting the timing on engine u have to line the crank pulley with a dot next to the big white line if u put it on the white line like any other car the timing is out it runs and pulls and at first u dont feel the difference but once thing start going down the drain it is alfa unreliability people with older alfas do most the work them self and by doing it right u dont have the same unreliable issues as other alfa drivers just bought a gt as a DELIVERY car for our bakery not even season and did 9000 km in 2 months at a pace and no problems will never sell the alfa u dont buy them to sell them u buy them to ADD to your COLLECTION if u have more than one reliability would not be a problem would it so buy a manual start doing things yourself and spend less time *****ing about reliability and yes to drive a SPORTS car takes more effort otherwise every idiot would be driving one and the forum will turn out to be a *****ing form and not the help full form its been over the years
so stop *****ing or buy a volvo
 

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I love my 159 and intend to keep it for a long time,the 159s build quality is far greater than the suds ever were and people are still driving them after 40 years +,and as i am 50 next year i may never need another car :)
 

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" the badge faded" . Surely this is dredging for moans!
Alfa source their badges from the same company as many other manufacturers and the only solution would be to ask them to dictate the colours of the badge to ones that do not fade ? Resulting badge would be monochrome, no doubt .
I replaced the badge on my 147 shortly before trading it in and this did not boost the value but as its such a feature I was aware it needed replacement at 3 years . Crazy!
 

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I think with Alfa its not the 'clutch', 'DMF', Pump and Belt issues that are the annoying sting in the tale, its the random door handle linkage failures, door handles falling off, window node failures, permanent electrical issues, stone chipping issues, etc etc that gripe with owners.
 

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" the badge faded" . Surely this is dredging for moans!
Alfa source their badges from the same company as many other manufacturers and the only solution would be to ask them to dictate the colours of the badge to ones that do not fade ?
You really believe the badges fade due to colour choice? I previously had a Volvo, main badge colour Blue & Gold, two of the colours found on Alfa's badge and no problem whatsoever with badge fading on a car that was 5 years older and had done significantly more mileage. I could go on giving lots of other similar examples but we're talking about fading that was so bad on a 3 year old car that you could barely make out the marque. That isn't down to the colour choices, it's cheap and nasty parts. Maybe they do source from the same company but pay a lot less money. It isn't unusual for companies to make products of different quality and price range.
 

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I had the door handle on the drivers door replaced under warranty on my 147 and the tailgate badge on the Giulietta but I had to wait a while for the Giulietta to become available in Alfa red. They were fixing the paint chip issue and they seem to have succeeded!
As for electrical issues there haven't been any on either .
 

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Picked my M3 Monte Carlo up 10 days ago.... cant believe the way it delivers the power :thumbs:
Congrats! Is that the edition that only comes in Monte Carlo Blue with black wheels? I absolutely love that colour. Does it get dirty quickly? I'm not so keen on black wheels in general. Though maybe that would be an excuse for me to buy a set of CSL alloys...
 

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Mate of mine bought a 330 d 2 weeks ago paid a silly sum of money for what I would say is an old car could of had a 159 ti 3 yrs newer for same money anyway bought it privately so no warrenty then last Thursday it stopped got it recovered to BMW dealer in worcs and it has had the inlet manifold fall apart and distroyed the engine and turbo he won't tell me how much he's been quoted but I can guess,
 

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My last 6-7 years of motoring has been split between a 2.4 20v 156 and a 159 2.4 and (before that I had many trouble free years driving Fiat's, I owned any model you care to mention at one time or another). In all the time driving Alfa's I have had almost no problems other than a couple of failing engine sensors, two egr's, handbrake cables and an alternator. All those parts other than the handbrake cables were made by Bosch! I should add that the most troublesome car I ever owned, like Bosh was also German...So, I guess I'm saying that we should keep things in perspective! (forgot to mention the Mito....Two problems: Sensor gone faulty...Yip, Bosch! The other was a leaking radiator but I'm not blaming Bosch for that...)
 

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my last 6-7 years of motoring has been split between a 2.4 20v 156 and a 159 2.4 and (before that i had many trouble free years driving fiat's, i owned any model you care to mention at one time or another). In all the time driving alfa's i have had almost no problems other than a couple of failing engine sensors, two egr's, handbrake cables and an alternator. All those parts other than the handbrake cables were made by bosh! I should add that the most troublesome car i ever owned, like bosh was also german...so, i guess i'm saying that we should keep things in perspective!
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Mate of mine bought a 330 d 2 weeks ago paid a silly sum of money for what I would say is an old car could of had a 159 ti 3 yrs newer for same money anyway bought it privately so no warrenty then last Thursday it stopped got it recovered to BMW dealer in worcs and it has had the inlet manifold fall apart and distroyed the engine and turbo he won't tell me how much he's been quoted but I can guess,
What year & mileage? Anything under 100k and it should be covered under BMW's goodwill if the car has full dealer servicing. This goodwill is why so many German marque owners keep up full dealer history, a mate of mine is getting a completely gratis full rear suspension rebuild, new subframe and a new rear floor on his 2003 M3 at the moment, as the subframe has worn and damaged the mounting points on the boot floor.

The swirl flaps you mentioned are a problem on all modern diesels, we had a 1.9 JTD 16v do the same thing a month ago, that needed another engine too. De-flapping has been something BMW owners have been doing for years, and personally I'd not buy a BMW diesel that hasn't been de-flapped or had the newer inlet manifold fitted. Its like buying a GTA with 5 years & 60k on the timing belt - anyone on here would be saying you're massively on borrowed time going from past experience but the service manual and Autodata would still say you've got another 12k to run.
 

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Have you tried pluging the vehicle into a diagnostic tool and do an actuator test to open the rear door. its funy how it works but does normaly work, the wire in the door card normaly breaks.

Is the m32 gearbox the same as the vauxhall one then? I no the 1.9 cdti engine is the same.
 
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