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My new 2001 147 and its RUST...

First things first..Hello.

I got my very first Alfa romeo 147 at the weekend, 2001, 68,000 on the clock.

It needs the Power Steering Fluid pipes replacing as it is leaking - which I'm getting done locally at an Alfa Romeo specialists and is no great drama (he says hopefully).

However, the one thing I didn't check when I bought the car was underneath the car..Rust - and lots of it. A local garage advised me to take the car back and buy a something else as it would fail an MOT :rant:..however the specialist garage have said that it would not fail and can just be treated.

It has just passed an MOT with Kwik Fit but i'm worried about the future...

The local specialists seem spot on and have been great to chat too so far, but I suppose I'm just after a confidence boost...Has anyone else had major problems with Rust..? Whats the best treatment that people can recommend..?

Thanks to anyone who can help (...oh and before I'm asked...the Cam belt was done on 65000 miles..:thumbs:)
 

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217 is actually "Assault with intent to murder" lol good grief i don't want one of those alfa's

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didn't the 164 get renamed in japan cos it meant death or something? Rutty Just get the car undesealed to make sure.
 

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Shouldn't have a serious rust issue, aside from the usual 147 exhaust rust problems. Do you know where the previous owners lived - by the sea by any chance? Years ago, I bought a Polo that lived most of its life on the coast near Newcastle. Car was only 5 years old when it failed its MOT due to major rusting on the chassis, arches etc. Was going to cost more to put it right than the car was worth, so I broke it up and what remained was scrapped. Vowed never to buy a car that has been anywhere near the sea!
 

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Cheers owlzen, was just curious to know if it was a known problem (like the exhaust rust, cam belt and power steering :) )

Previous owner was from Carlsile, which may explain the problem, gutted to be honest as the car drives really well..There are no actual holes but its pretty rotten - especially on the underside near the drivers seat, which is of biggest concern.

Joss - Gonna get it undersealed over the weekend hopefully (and buy myself a welding for dummies book) cheers
 

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Rust

I`m afraid they do rust in the floor pans not as bad as the 156.
The factory treatment was inconsistent at best, rust normally starts to form where sill meets floor, underseal normally comes away from the metal but does not fall off so on inspection looks ok, sadly moisture gets in and migrates behind this underseal, in most cases its surface corrosion, get the car on ramps locate the worst areas and work out removing old underseal, take surface rust back to clean metal and degrease, paint with 2 coats of zinc rich paint in DRY conditions, wax oil with shutz gun and compressor, if you spend a full DAY on this you will get at least 3 years life out of car, make sure you look under carpet and insulation inside the car to make sure the rusting is not from inside the car!

I done the above on my 2001 156 and apart from being messy it is very satisfying if done correctly because you have sorted a potential serious problem
 

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had a lot on my 145, and the 147/156 floor pans look the same. The one bit that did not turn to rust was where the underseal flaked off and I removed the loose stuff and coated wth Hammerite 5 years ago, that still is sound.

The prone areas are the sills, the join between front and rear floor and where those D shaped cuts are in the rear floor pan. Get a sharp wood chisel and give those areas a good scrape, good underseal will be really hard to remove whereas the bad stuff will come off like wet wallpaper, from then on you can assess any damage and treat accordingly.

Good job you spotted it before it got worse.

HTH
 

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I'm reading this thread with interest as this is a particular area which I have little or no knowledge!

Possibly a question to which the answer should be obvious, but would I be correct in assuming that Alfa's come with undercoat applied when they are new? If so is it worth then having a further coat of something applied immediately on a new car to prolong it's life?
 

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Is floor pan corrosion a know issue for 147/156's? I was advised by peak alfa when they had my 156 (54 plate) on the ramp that I should rub down and paint the floor around those D shaped cut outs before I ended up with problems. I had a look and sure enought the underseal was starting to bubble away in those areas, a few minutes with a scraper and some POR15 chassis paint and hopefully OK for a few years. Thinking I should have a close look at the wifes 147 now.
 

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Thanks for all the advice people...:)

I've managed to get the use of some proper ramps next week, near where I live in Lincoln, so i'll be working on it each evening, again, it's something ive got no experience in doing so the guidance that has been posted up in this dodgy titled thread is much appreciated.

Hopefully it will become more clear what to scrape away and what to leave well alone once I get underneath and have a proper look..! I'll post up any tips (and any ballsups I make) in here.
 

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Rutty

Just make sure after you remove areas of loose underseal and come up against good continue to chip away at the good material as surface rust can still migrate beneath the `good` underseal i found this to typically be10-15mm, if you leave it you will have the same issues within 6 months

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If you want to eliminate the problem you could do this to the floor pan:wow:It should get rid of the rust. :thumbs:
What???? Turn it into a flintstones car???:wow::wow::wow:

Hope you have thick soles on your feet...wouldnt want to stop that one in flip flops :lol: :lol:
 

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Thanks for all the advice people...:)

I've managed to get the use of some proper ramps next week, near where I live in Lincoln, so i'll be working on it each evening, again, it's something ive got no experience in doing so the guidance that has been posted up in this dodgy titled thread is much appreciated.

Hopefully it will become more clear what to scrape away and what to leave well alone once I get underneath and have a proper look..! I'll post up any tips (and any ballsups I make) in here.
Where abouts in Lincoln are you?

I have quite a bit of knowlede from my old purple QV, i bassically made a new floor for that, then the chasis was rotten. Got a new one of spent 6 hours on the floor pan of that sorting it out!

If you would like another experinced opinion and advise on exactly what to do, i dont mind having a look for you!!!

Drop me a pm.
 
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