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It is all very well MPs offering to pay back their vastly inflated/completely bogus claims, but for most of us this would also involve interest and penalty charges. Likely to happen? Probably not. Fraud charges? Not likely either. All losing their seats to a man in a white suit? Possibly, but then we face losing our entire first team, all that experience and capability*, to be replaced by a cohort who may be honest, but who were not good enough to have been elected first time round.

What do you think will happen next and what will it mean for the rest of us?


*relative to other aspiring politicos
 

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they'll all get away with it. one or two will be made to resign as scapegoats for their party, and they'll soon bury the whole scandal under a load of other manufactured news

my local MP has been splashed across today's papers as the thieving git who carried on claiming for a mortgage which no longer existed to the tune of £13,000

he should be prosecuted for that - if somebody carries on claiming housing benefit on a house they don't live in, or claims dole for years whilst working, he would end up in court. so why not david the thief chaytor?

sure they all plead ignorance and they had no idea they were claiming. total, utter rubbish. they're all bright people and knew exactly what they were doing. i don't believe ANY of their excuses. they've all been caught with their noses in the trough and have been exposed as the slippery, cheating weasels we always suspected they were.
 

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Ignorance is no defense in law. Any solicitor will tell you that.
 

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they'll all get away with it. one or two will be made to resign as scapegoats for their party, and they'll soon bury the whole scandal under a load of other manufactured news

my local MP has been splashed across today's papers as the thieving git who carried on claiming for a mortgage which no longer existed to the tune of £13,000

he should be prosecuted for that - if somebody carries on claiming housing benefit on a house they don't live in, or claims dole for years whilst working, he would end up in court. so why not david the thief chaytor?

sure they all plead ignorance and they had no idea they were claiming. total, utter rubbish. they're all bright people and knew exactly what they were doing. i don't believe ANY of their excuses. they've all been caught with their noses in the trough and have been exposed as the slippery, cheating weasels we always suspected they were.

Just about sums it up perfectly there, Sir !!!!!.......:thumbs:
 
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Ignorance is no defense in law. Any solicitor will tell you that.
Nor is " Well everyone else was doing it too". The last time I heard that particular excuse was in the school playground.

I matured past that stage when I grew up and moved into the real world.

Looks like most MPs didn't. :tut:

They deserve all they get in the way of punishment. Unfortunately that won't be more than the slap on the wrist that most crooks get these days. :rant:

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Nothing and nothing.
Because so many are involved or because we are over reacting?

One said: "I followed all the current guidance and rules and I will follow all future guidance and rules". Is it a bit like a stealth payment (to attract better quality people) or should MPs be expected to understand the spirit as well as the letter?
 

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Shoot the lot of them! Its theft plain and simple, trying to see what they can get away with claiming for but I'm just glad that it has all come out into the public view and a stop can be put to it. If it hadnt of come out god knows how long it would have carried on for and how many squiilions it would cost us! :flame:

ROBBING THIEVING BUGGERS!!!! :mad: :rant: :swear:


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I liked the comment by the Police that they would have to get involved as it had moved from "snouts in the trough to fingers in the till":cheese:

I think that is a very good demarcation line.
 
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Because so many are involved or because we are over reacting?


As they all keep saying, they've done nothing wrong.
Because they make the rules/laws.

They are hardly going to crucify themselves and their colleagues/co-conspirators, are they?


Give it 6 months and it'll all be back to Celebrity Shagfest,
or whichever "reality" show they come up with next.

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I think that the authority of the house of commons has been undermined and that we should have a general election. (here's hoping)

I in fact think the turn out in the elections will be higher than normal, as people of had enough and want to vent their anger.
 
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There is an issue of MPs salary.

Appreciate probably not popular, but I think 60k is too low.

Much better to pay them say 90K, have a very strict and transparent expenses system, and ban 2nd jobs, Trade Union sponsorship etc.
That was what I was hinting at. In theory, considering the calibre of people we want to recruit, 60K should only attract good socialists. To get a balance of good Tories there would have to be hidden benefits: cash for questions, expenses, insider trading etc.

But both sides are at it. :confused:
 
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they'll all get away with it. one or two will be made to resign as scapegoats for their party, and they'll soon bury the whole scandal under a load of other manufactured news

my local MP has been splashed across today's papers as the thieving git who carried on claiming for a mortgage which no longer existed to the tune of £13,000

he should be prosecuted for that - if somebody carries on claiming housing benefit on a house they don't live in, or claims dole for years whilst working, he would end up in court. so why not david the thief chaytor?

sure they all plead ignorance and they had no idea they were claiming. total, utter rubbish. they're all bright people and knew exactly what they were doing. i don't believe ANY of their excuses. they've all been caught with their noses in the trough and have been exposed as the slippery, cheating weasels we always suspected they were.
I agree with everything you say Al, but shame on you :tut:

Comparing MP's to pigs and weasels is not on, no one deserves to get compared to an MP!
 

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If it was me "accidentally" over claiming, I'd be suspended pending disciplinary and / or criminal action. These lot a knowingly committing fraud and will get away with it:tut:
 
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If it was me "accidentally" over claiming, I'd be suspended pending disciplinary and / or criminal action. These lot a knowingly committing fraud and will get away with it:tut:
i was going to say the same....

I am self employed and am allowed to claim expenses, now my understanding is that there are somethings i can and somethings i can't claim for.....if i submit a claim for something when i am not allowed it them i potentially risk a fine and then i have to payback the interest...

So again we have one rule for those running the country...and another for those who live here....smacks of double standards :tut:

Here's what i would like to see happen....

A independent public enquiry, yes i know it will cost money, if there is any wrongdoing found then Police involvement and investigation in the same way you or i would encounter if we did the same. ignorance or bad advice is not a excuse/reason for clemency

Moving forward MP's to be given a basic salary, this reflects the work they do with their constituency

They then get paid a daily rate for attending Parliament, this then supplements their salary and is taxable.

They are then allowed to claim expenses that are required in order to carry out their job
What they can and cannot claim to be agreed beforehand and no deviation from this unless it is agreed by an external body who are also responsible for Auditing the Expense claims submitted....

to be honest this would be my starting point, and if the truth be known i would love to see the whole lot get fired and we start fresh, but as has already been said we would lose so much knowledge....

I now fully understand what the MPs wanted to suppress their expenses information from becoming public knowledge, they have been waiting for this S***storm to come along for a while now
 
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I don't know what will happen next, but suspect it will take some time to play out.

In the meantime, the forthcoming Euro election results should be interesting; I suspect an even lower than usual turnout, but there is speculation that the fringe parties (UKIP, BNP) will benefit from a protest vote.

That could be unfortunate.
Yes the Euro elections are sure to give this country a shake, but just a small point, how can the Lab Lib Con parties now try and slate the BNP for anything when it has now been proven that they themselves are a bunch of lying cheating robbing *******s guilty of fraud and deception ??

I really hope that some of these politicos come knocking on my door :lol:, and come election day I will be going to the polling station armed with some questions for the politicians who have the brass neck to show their faces ;)

Pictures to follow :D
 
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