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Hi all,
Just put my 2000 156 1.8 tspark through it's MOT and it's failed on both front discs and pads and the rear nearside caliper.

two questions, looking at buypartsby for the parts, it lists this car as having solid front discs, whereas I imagined they'd be vented, is this right?
Also, they don't list calipers, does anyone know where I can source all these parts quickly and without destroying my bank balance :)

Thanks in advance for any help!

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A 2000MY 1.8 will have solid discs (the 1.6TS, 1.8TS & 1.9JTD didn't get vented until mid 2001).

What is wrong with the rear caliper?
It may just need striping, cleaning, greasing & putting back together.
 

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cheers, I rang the tester and he said they were vented - quoted £220 all in for fitting front discs and pads and replacing rear caliper, does that sound reasonable?
 

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They will only be vented if someone has upgraded the discs and calipers to the vented setup at some point. It will not have vented front discs as std.
Very easy to check yourself though.
 

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Out of interest who conducted the MOT? Was it a dealer?
I don't think there is a fail cause of 'rear caliper' or 'front disc'.
Just braking performance measures. I am often wrong of course.

I say this because my Fiat Alfa garage tried it on with every excuse in the book to change my discs because it's a dead easy job that they can put the YTS boy on and make a fat profit on the parts.

It is so easy I'd suggest you do it yourself and buy the parts from a specialist rather than Alfa.

In my experience rear brakes always fail the MOT unless you strip, clean, lubricate in the right places and reassemble them first. Particularly rear discs. There is usually no need for parts apart for copper grease and brake cleaner spray.
 

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I took it to a garage I've had all my cars at and they're usually pretty good - I do have the braking sheet here but don't really understand it. The rear discs were scored so I had them replaced as they did the MOT.

The failure sheet says
1 Front (inner edge) brake disc excessively scored
2 Nearside rear parking brake recording little or no effort
3 Parking brake efficiency below requirements

Do you think 220 quid is reasonable to sort this? or hugely expensive? I think the caliper costs over 70 +vat itself
 

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Well it's bad luck that they have decided to condemn your discs.
I'd look at Shop4parts for them, and change them myself.
They need to learn that finding unnecessary work doesn't pay. My front discs have done 145,000 miles.
Scoring is a result of letting the pads wear down to the metal but it goes once you put new pads on and get a few miles under your belt. Shop4parts aren't bad for this kind of thing.

On the 145s the non-ABS models are solid and the ABS models are vented. I don't know about the 156s. Maybe it's the same.

On to the rear brake issues.
Rear discs are hardly justified as they contribute very little braking effort compared with the fronts but they have become part of the marketing checklist so the drums had to go. The problem with this is that you get very little movement, the handbrake mechanism is complicated, and things sieze up over time.

Parking brakes usually fail because the self-adjustment mechanism is not working. This is often a result of the arm that the cable pulls not returning fully to rest when the handbrake is released, so self-adjustment cannot happen.

If the self adjusters don't work the handbrake mechanism moves out of the area where optimum leverage is possible so the performance suffers.

I would get in there with the WD40 and make sure the arm (see inside the ring in the illustration) is moving freely and returning to rest. Get the pads out and screwdriver any rust off the pad guides, then apply copper grease to the guides and the edges of the pad that are in contact with them.

You may need to wind the rear calipers back in. They turn clockwise using the two tips of a pair of pliers.

I'd free them up by winding them in (see photo), pumping the pedal a few times, then winding them in again.

I hope this helps.
 

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thanks for the advice Bodger but unfortunately, I'm not very mechanically minded and even if I was, I don't have the tools necessary to do jobs such as these. As an aside, if I were to go to alfa or a proper alfa independant to do the above, about how much would I be looking at? I basically don't just want to hand over the best part of 250notes if that's extortionate. Thanks again for the advice
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Bodger said:
On the 145s the non-ABS models are solid and the ABS models are vented. I don't know about the 156s. Maybe it's the same.
No, all 156 have ABS & EBD.

Until mid 2001 only the 2.0TS, 2.5V6 and 2.4JTD had vented front discs.
The 1.6TS, 1.8TD & 1.9JTD had solid front discs.

After mid 2001 all 156 had vented front discs.
 

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Looks like we're both right on the discs if you look at shop4parts.

http://www.shop4parts.co.uk/index.cfm/method/catalogue.list/

I'm not sure why the vented ones are cheaper.

I would still suggest buying & changing them yourself even if you are not mechanically minded. There is so little to it. I've enclosed a typical procedure.

Brake Disc (Solid) x1
FRONT - 1.6 16v - 1.8 16v - Solid Disc

Part Number: S4P127
Manufacturer: Bendix

Listed Price: £54.93
Our Price: £27.47
You Save: £27.46 (50%)
Please note that All Prices Exclude VAT. Add to Cart

Front Brake Disc (Vented) x1
FRONT - 1.6 16v - 1.8 16v - 2.0 16v - 2.5 V6 - 2.4 JTD - Vented Disc


Part Number: S4P128
Manufacturer: Bendix

Listed Price: £48.00
Our Price: £24.00
You Save: £24.00 (50%)
Please note that All Prices Exclude VAT.
 

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Sorry this is off topic not sure how to post a new post!!Bodger, you didn't give me a definitive on the pics. By the By, where can I obtain an overhaul kit for my trusty Bradbury low level hydraulic jack, any ideas?
 
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Your quoted price sounds ok to me.Also there should be no retest fee if they do the repairs, if you get it repaired elsewhere there will be for sure, and there is no gaurantee that it will pass the retest.
Its seldom possible to make the park brake mechanism on rear calipers work again properly,I get a new one every time.
You are right not to work on your brakes if you are not 100% confident.If you are keen to learn ask the mechanic to show you what he is doing or has done,most are happy to pass on a bit of knowledge,just like everyone on the forum!
 

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alfafamily said:
Also there should be no retest fee if they do the repairs, if you get it repaired elsewhere there will be for sure, and there is no gaurantee that it will pass the retest.
That fee (or lack of) and need of a full retest also depends on the time gap between the original test and the retest.
 
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Sorry this is off topic not sure how to post a new post!!Bodger, you didn't give me a definitive on the pics. By the By, where can I obtain an overhaul kit for my trusty Bradbury low level hydraulic jack, any ideas?
Go to the lounge you want the new thread to be in, then click "New", (little red button at the top left of the list of threads. ;)

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That fee (or lack of) and need of a full retest also depends on the time gap between the original test and the retest.
Not quite sure nowadays..Years ago fixed at testing station no fee...Removed and returned in 3 days minor fixes...no fee .....major fixes within 7 days half fee....Over 7 days Full fee.

Last year took mondeo to Kwick fit for £35 Mot.
Failed antiroll bush......Front brakes discs (Not Just scored but completely done...{Took 3 days to get discs off not for the squemish....Daughters bravo 30 minutes to do both discs delivered cheaper than motor factors by buypartsby}.) and emissions.....Told put a can of Forte.(£15) take it for a blast on the motorway and car would pass.(Taxi drivers do it al the time no problem.)Did as advised FAILED EMISSIONS....Abosutely no difference...Traced to CAT..New CAT from buypartsby around £47 Did job.The retest was 5 weeks after the original test....Charge...No Fee.
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Strange BUT true.
So I guess No definitive scale.

Pomeo.
 

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alfafamily said:
Its seldom possible to make the park brake mechanism on rear calipers work again properly,I get a new one every time..
Sorry, I don't agree with you on this.

I haven't needed to replace a caliper in 20 years of motoring. I've cleaned plenty up.

The problem is not that anything is worn out, rather that it has not been moving enough to stay free.

I guess we are both entitled to our opinion on this.

alfafamily said:
You are right not to work on your brakes if you are not 100% confident.
I do agree on this point.
 

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Hi all,
Just put my 2000 156 1.8 tspark through it's MOT and it's failed on both front discs and pads and the rear nearside caliper.

two questions, looking at buypartsby for the parts, it lists this car as having solid front discs, whereas I imagined they'd be vented, is this right?
Also, they don't list calipers, does anyone know where I can source all these parts quickly and without destroying my bank balance :)

Thanks in advance for any help!

Danny
Hitby...these are only guides...Thats why they usually ask for the chassis no.....My 2001 3.0 166 is a 2001 but was made in June 2000.The MAF listed for 2001 is different form 2000.

My Mondeo's rear shoes have 2 different types...Even main ford dealer with the chassis No. they couldn't tell which ones...Only way is to strip it down and see which ones are fitted....Isn't life simple.

Coz when you strip it down and go to get the parts sods law states that they will only have the ones which doesn't fit your vehicle.

If thats all you failed one its not much if you have a pal who is handy at the mechanics.

Pomeo
 
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