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After my overheating problems I had the head skimmed and replaced, but when the garage replaced the head they drove it for 15.2 miles parked it up and it wouldnt start.
They then found it had bent 8 valves as for some reason it had dropped them when they turned it off.
They replaced the valves and gave me the car back!

Now 168 miles later its rattling its **** off at between 2-3k rpm and losing a litre of oil a week.

Its gone back to the garage and they say its completely unrelated and the bottom end has gone and wanna charge me another loada money to replace the main bearings.

Im totally fed up, ive been without a car for about a month now and am tempted to pour a loada fuel over the bloody car and set light to it.

Question is would 8 valves being bent kill my bottom end? and can I argue this point with the so called specialist garage?
 

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The short answer is "Yes" but that is unlikely to happen in 183 or so miles.

Well - to bend the valves they would have to been hit by the pistons. For that to happen the timing belt would have to have snapped, skipped a bit or the timing set incorrectly when they replaced the head. OR they took far too much off the head.

If no mention has been made of the belt then either the timing was set incorrectly or they have overskimmed - either way it is down to them. It's possible, if it was the head, that the valves have bent again.

Worth a punt about the bottom end as well - normally IF this happens -it is a thousand or so miles afterwards. I'd argue that it is a known scenario and far from rare on the TS engine.

Good Luck

Paul.

p.s I am, of course, assuming that it was fully topped up with oil.
 

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yep car was fully topped with oil, was checking and topping it up everyday as it was leaking it
 

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ive spoken to alfa (shoulda gone there 1st) and they seem to think it sounds like the timing had skipped on the exhaust cam, bent the valves and has knocked the main bearings out, possibly causing the crank oilseal to start leaking aswell.

The garage is denying its their fault, even tho by his own admission is wasnt knocking or leaking oil before they took it in, or when they drove it before it did the valves in
 

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christ!!

make sure you tell us all the name of the garage you used so no one else suffers this same misfortune by letting this bunch of cowboys work on there car!!

good luck mate, hope you get it sorted!
 
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I agree with PaulR. You need to push the garage harder. It sounds from what you have told that they have made mistakes, they should be made to put things right. I don't understand why they take this attitude of denial. If they are responsible they will have insurance for things like this. They don't have much pride in what comes out of their workshop that's for sure.
Are these people Alfa specialists or just a general workshop. The valve problems sound like the result of someone not using the cam lock tools. Take your top cam cover off to see if there are any paint dots on the cam pulleys:rolleyes:
 

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they are an italian car specialist, according to alfa when I spoke to them they think someone didnt do the tensioner up tight enough.

I wont name and shame the garage yet until its all sorted but its really cheesed me off, ive got next week off work and now no transport and seems like another months wages is gonna go on this bloody car.

Im gonna push them to put it right, if they still refuse im gonna get it sorted and go buy a honda
 

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I would be asking for a new engine after all of that. The pistons hitting the valves WILL be the cause of the big end problems as it can cause the shells to crack and flat spot.

If they won't give you a new engine then get down the Citizens advice bureau and then take legal action.

The should have insurance to cover issues such as this, if they havn't they should stump up the money themselves.

It sounds like thay are already admitting liability by saying that the tensioner wasn't tightened.

If they just repair the engine it may never be the same again, especially if their workmanship is similar to that already done.
 

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Ah that's sad... Don't let a poor job at the workshop stop you from enjoying your Alfa!

I do love the Integra mind... You like the DC2 or DC5? They are boioth cool cars in slightly different ways :D
 

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Not that it will make you feel any better but I hardly feel this is the cars fault quoting 'i've had enough of Alfa's'.

It seems to me there are a lot of 'Italian Specialist' garages in general who are very questionable. I visited one in Oxfordshire the other day who are really nothing more than 'general' mechanics who have decided to take the Italian car route. I was put off by their apparent ignorance and lack of knowlege and told my g/f to take the car to Alfa Workshop instead despite the distance involved.

TBH places like Alfa Workshop don't charge the earth and have a very good reputation. You also get a courtesy car and best of all you know its likely to be a top job as they are dealing with these cars day in, day out.

It is very unfortunate the garage I am referring to in Oxfordshire has also bodged a cambelt change on an Alfa and took it to a well known mechanic of mine who was forced to sort it.

You really need to take legal action if necessary. Although it could be a drawn out process - you will end up with a car you love at the end of it.
 

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Once again someone buys a really cheap Alfa and gets burned. There's normally a reason a car is sold for peanuts. More often than not, buying a cheap Alfa is false economy...
 

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It sound like garage have arsed up from what you say.
There is more than enough evidence on this forum and others about this particular problem.
Just start quoting Sale of Goods act etc and if that doesn't work and they refuse to replace/repair engine then small claims would be a fairly quick route and I think you would have a sound case. If you go this route at least you can get a proper alfa specialist to do it. You'd need an independant engineers report though for the court.
 

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Once again someone buys a really cheap Alfa and gets burned. There's normally a reason a car is sold for peanuts. More often than not, buying a cheap Alfa is false economy...
Fine Markos but not really helpful.

Please read the sequence of events before dismissing a problem from a fellow member of this site.


Paul.
 
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