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Or GPL as its called here in Italy, now I knew there were CNG and LPG versions of a lot of the FGA products on the Italian market, but not an LPG Mito until I heard an ad on the radio yesterday....... oh dear :vomit:
 

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What's wrong with that? :confused:

Not so long ago I was considering getting my MiTO converted to AutoGas, what with the soaring costs of petrol and the high mileage I was doing (however due to a change of circumstances I won't be driving half as much as I have been, so don't think I will go ahead with it). But in a tight economy surely it makes sense considering it's half the price of petrol per litre. I worked out that it would probably pay for itself after about 6 months (the amount I was driving).
 

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What's wrong with that? :confused:

Not so long ago I was considering getting my MiTO converted to AutoGas, what with the soaring costs of petrol and the high mileage I was doing (however due to a change of circumstances I won't be driving half as much as I have been, so don't think I will go ahead with it). But in a tight economy surely it makes sense considering it's half the price of petrol per litre. I worked out that it would probably pay for itself after about 6 months (the amount I was driving).
LPG conversion successful on N/A engines. Never heard of one being done with a Turbo.
One of the benefits of LPG is being exempt from the London Congestion charge.
I had LPG on a dual fuel car and old Talbot Horizan - it was a Landi Hardi conversion - supposedly one of the best.
If you opt for a circular tank in the spare wheel area it does not have much storage. Reckon if you got 150 miles you would be doing well.
Also if you average 35mpg with petrol it's around 30mpg on LPG.
Octane of the LPG is higher at around 101-102 octane but it has less energy.
Car is slower given the 'less energy' but very recent conversions have minimised the loss of power capitalising on the increased octane rating of the fuel.
You also have to start and 'end' the car with petrol.
Every 4th / 5th tank needs to be petrol.
Popular in the eastern Europe countries where it is less than half the price of petrol understand that in the UK it's around 60% ?
In Ireland you can no longer get it.
A very under-rated and emission friendly fuel.
Needs a proper Cubic capacity engine in a decent sized car.
LPG conversion can have insurance implications since it's technically a modification and goes in a specialist assessor evaluation.
I liked my conversion and it gives the impression that your saving money (but you aren't really) but at least you would be doing your 'bit' for the environment.
 

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I think its the 120 cv motor (turbo I guess) personally I think the marketing bod's should have left the brand alone and let those that want methane or lpg to shop elsewhere in the Fiat brands.
 

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I think its the 120 cv motor (turbo I guess) personally I think the marketing bod's should have left the brand alone and let those that want methane or lpg to shop elsewhere in the Fiat brands.
You are correct. There is an advertisement by Alfa on a Mito equipped with an LPG duel fuel option using the T-Jet 120 engine. There was a discussion on a turkish forum and I got the impression that the T-Jet 150 wasn't suitable because of the extra boost. For anyone interested in getting their 155TB converted a query could be raised here...
Euro LPG | LPG Conversions

Fiat have promoted their various Fiat models are being available with LPG...
Fiat to Showcase LPG Grande Punto, Panda and Bravo - autoevolution
but it's the GP with the 1.4 8V engine was the one that caught my attention...
FIAT Punto Evo 5 Doors 1.4 LPG (2009 - Present) - technical specifications
 

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Good evening, my 95 BHP Mito was picked up by the garage today, I will get a BRC sequential system installed this week for 1200 Pounds. I don't care if I get that money back, its not paying for itself that I took into consideration - it will pay itself off anyway because I will keep that car for at least another 2 years. What really matters to me is monthly cash flow and the possibility to travel around without having to bother too much about fuel prices (which will eventually raise to 2 Pounds a litre if the situation in the Persian Gulf and Arab countries with oil giant Russia as a supporter of the general screw up goes as planned...). One other Mito 95BHP I know about is running for at least 70K trouble free KM on LPG, it doesn't matter if its just a 1.4 or not because its the £££ spent that matters and I have never ever been able to come even close to the 47mpg advertised and I do definitely not drive like a chav. Can't wait to get my car back and come on oil crises I don't care, I will be booking the ferry boat to Germany to get a pallet of decent beer back to the UK (I love the Belgian's 47 cent/L LPG on the way there and back by the way).
 

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Good evening, my 95 BHP Mito was picked up by the garage today, I will get a BRC sequential system installed this week for 1200 Pounds. I don't care if I get that money back, its not paying for itself that I took into consideration - it will pay itself off anyway because I will keep that car for at least another 2 years. What really matters to me is monthly cash flow and the possibility to travel around without having to bother too much about fuel prices (which will eventually raise to 2 Pounds a litre if the situation in the Persian Gulf and Arab countries with oil giant Russia as a supporter of the general screw up goes as planned...). One other Mito 95BHP I know about is running for at least 70K trouble free KM on LPG, it doesn't matter if its just a 1.4 or not because its the £££ spent that matters and I have never ever been able to come even close to the 47mpg advertised and I do definitely not drive like a chav. Can't wait to get my car back and come on oil crises I don't care, I will be booking the ferry boat to Germany to get a pallet of decent beer back to the UK (I love the Belgian's 47 cent/L LPG on the way there and back by the way).
That's an amazing price for a litre of LPG. I was even more surprised to see that it could be done on the 120TB earlier on in this thread. What is a the price of a litre of LPG in the UK at the moment ?
 

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Hello, just wanted to say that from today on neither crazy totalitarian populistic presidents of oil rich countries trying to block sea straights and oil shipments nor overly greedy & selfish businesses will be able to scare me with the fear of high oil prices any more! From today on my car runs on 100% British made LPG :)

First impressions: Very well made job, thumbs up for Autogasexperts from Hitchin, looking into the engine bay it looks very tidy and as if the car came out of the factory with LPG. I am also very impressed that the car drives as usual, I don't even notice when the fuel change occurs, not even the slightest hiccup or drop in revs! Another thumbs up for the setup work done and also to the guys from BRC. I can even see the instant consumption figure as the board computer communicates with the BRC ECU flawlessly! I guess that is because both systems speak Italian :)
 

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I don't see the problem with LPG alfas, it's pretty popular in other countries.

If you don't want one, don't buy it, but anything that helps sell more alfas is fine by me.
 

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Dear all, unfortunately I have to report back issues with the installer, basically I ordered one thing and they installed another totally incompatible mix of components that don't work together and make it impossible to run my car on LPG! After a lot of back and forth and they even admitting in writing they made a mistake, they still didn't want to give my money back and refuse to answer to my emails and letters. Now I will need to take them to justice and my lawyer said its even a police case as its basically a fraud. I think its a pity they make me do all that, as the situation is very obvious and I have all the evidence in my favour, at the end I am very confident I will get my money and costs back but why on earth don't they just do a decent job in the first place?

I will take my car to be converted (again) at another specialist, as I really enjoyed doing close to 300 miles with 30 quid and seeing the price difference in mainland Europe is even higher and I like to travel that is the only way forward for me, but the conversion specialist that undertakes the service can greatly spoil your experience both short and long term...
 

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Dear all, unfortunately I have to report back issues with the installer, basically I ordered one thing and they installed another totally incompatible mix of components that don't work together and make it impossible to run my car on LPG!
Sorry to hear that. Since you'd going to serve them I would imagine that you can't 'name and shame'.
 

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Yes, I can. They have one last chance this week and finally seem to be doing something but if we don't get a conclusion this week, I will spend good Friday at a police station telling the officer they have a fraud case. If you read through my posts, you will know who I am talking about.
 

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Hello, unfortunately I had to go to another garage to fix the issue after all. The Mito runs as well on LPG as on Petrol now, however it looks like I am not the only victim of their wrongdoing. Around the time they did my car, they also did other cars wrong. The only consolation I have is that I now got to know a good LPG garage with a very decent fella fixing everything the other guys did wrong.

Just in case you are in need of a garage to convert your pride and joy to LPG, have a look at my experience and avoid Autogasexperts from Hitchin/Corby! I can very strongly recommend Oxford Autogas and personally would convert to LPG again, as it really makes a difference paying nearly 1.40 Pounds or 70 pence for a litre (or even just 50 Euro Cent if you travel like me....)

My Autogasexperts experience

http://www.lpgforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=9965
 

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I have a BRC installation (Sequent P&D) on my MiTo 155TB, and no problems at all, got already 75000km (~47k miles) with the LPG installation.

i'm happy with this, low fuel costs (~0.65Euro/liter versus ~1.80Euro/liter for ron98)
so no eco driving for me :)
 

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Oh, after my car was fixed properly I absolutely love it! No more liquid gold in my fuel tank for sure, I will never ever be a*sed around by oil companies and never ever consider if its too expensive to go anywhere by car again! All I am saying is that you can have problems with the guys that do the conversion if you are unlucky enough, but even I don't regret going Autogas and I had to take the first guys to court....

You are Driving Eco any way, look at the recent emissions test I had to do to pass the MOT - I am at a fraction of what the legal pollution limits are. My car emits only 5% of the HCs and COs it could!!! All that darn green blablabla of the politicians, whilst the technology to massively reduce pollution already exists in front of our noses....
 

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