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I upgraded my Escort mk2 with Gartrac Watts linkage kit to reinforce the chassis with upgraded shock turrets and brackets the kit. For peace of mind and negligible expense whilst welding away, the results was much improved chassis control with normal road suspension so a little surprised nothing like that is available for Alfa
I think the difference is that the Escort is a fundamentally floppy car that needs a lot of strengthening for competition use. The Alfa is much stronger so seam weld it and it'll do pretty much anything you want.

We've got a customer who's stage rallying a Giulia Sprint GT in historics. He pulled the car apart for its off-season rebuild and was astonished to find that the bodyshell was mint bar the odd dent.

His comment was "I can't believe how strong this thing is. If this was an Escort I'd have been welding the whole f***ing thing back together after what this little car's done".
 

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Might be strong Jim, but as you know it wouldn't see which way an Escort went in the Forests. ;)

Don't think his Car is quite as pristine anymore since he put it on it's roof unfortunately :(
 

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Correction Jim the Escort needs extensive bracing for normal use.

With a boot full of shopping or carrying more than 1 passenger the Escort chassis creaks like a convertible scuttle shake and suspension turrets arched like a suspension bridge in a storm not to mention body flexes like plastic ruler. And that's starting off with a good solid shell, many people warned me Alfa 105 would be same if not worse "crisp packet chassis"

Comparing mine to a restored standard Alfa 105 and a uprated example, my chassis doesn't need a refresh because it felt exactly like the restored one. Grip and traction was better but handling was little less predictable snapping away with the same floaty floppy rear end. Fronts felt the same harshness and steering little heavier I think that's down to it having 6j wide wheels and better tyres compared to my standard steel wheels.

The Bilstien one has much better body control all round settled after bumps but rebound was not like expected, i can imagine ride quality becomes tiresome after an hour or so. The steering arms had been upgraded, a little less wheel twirling needed off centre and car reacted much faster to my inputs so i want same upgrade.

Both had Eibach springs the ride height looks nice and manages speed bumps and lanes fine, i want Eibachs. Shocks unsure because everything available is race orientated so might go down fully adjustable shock route.

Because axle and body moving out of phase of each other is the cause of floppy behind, I like to add watts link or multi link rear axle upgrade and hope this allows me compliance without having to go stiff everywhere else. Not so great experience with poly bushes on my other cars and mine seems to have new rubber not much else i can think off to upgrade.
 

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If you fit a Watts link to the rear end you'll need stiffer rear springs or a rear anti-roll bar to counteract the increased bodyroll.

Whose cars did you drive by the way? Do you know what kit was fitted to the modified one, you've mentioned Eibachs several times in this thread almost as a generic term for "handling kit", a bit like describing vacuum cleaners as "hoovers". The fact that he's got short steering arms suggests that this car is modified beyond a set of Eibach springs!

Mitch, I know about the Escorts, he's a second a mile behind them!
 

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If you fit a Watts link to the rear end you'll need stiffer rear springs or a rear anti-roll bar to counteract the increased bodyroll.

Whose cars did you drive by the way? Do you know what kit was fitted to the modified one, you've mentioned Eibachs several times in this thread almost as a generic term for "handling kit", a bit like describing vacuum cleaners as "hoovers". The fact that he's got short steering arms suggests that this car is modified beyond a set of Eibach springs!

Mitch, I know about the Escorts, he's a second a mile behind them!
Who told you that Jim?, there's a 1 in i it grant you that, I reckon it's about 10 seconds against a typical 1600 mk1 x flow. Double that for sorted pinto mk2.
 

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Who told you that Jim?, there's a 1 in i it grant you that, I reckon it's about 10 seconds against a typical 1600 mk1 x flow. Double that for sorted pinto mk2.
:confused::wow: am I reading that correctly Mitch? A sorted pinto can't be much more than 200bhp in legit spec?

Even a full house BDA was only around 245bhp back in the day. It might be the best rally car in period but 20 secs a mile faster than a decent Bertie with, I don't know - maybe 30-40bhp less and possibly lighter? Seems a bit pessimistic tbh.

Having had a 1760 X/F Mexico, I genuinely wouldn't have thought it'd be 10 secs/mile faster than a well-pedalled 2000GTV.
 

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Took the times off the Riponian rally in 2013, but I'm not surprised. To be fair the Car we are actually talking about is a 1600 sprint GT, so does not run up against any Escort as it's a catagory earlier. Nobody (to my knowledge) is using a 2000GTV sorted or otherwise in stage rallying in the UK as it just doesn't fit in to a class where it would stand a chance. Being a twin cam, it's lumped in with the BDA and BDG engined Escorts with forty years of continuos development behind them.
They are faster now than they were in the day, even in historic spec.
 

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Thanks for the explanation Mitch. That makes more sense to me now.
 
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