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Hi all,

There are a few threads on this but wanted to share my recent experience to help others in the future.

Had my house broken into earlier in the week and spare keys taken for both cars :mad:. VW was company car so they have sorted that but we have a 2008 Spider also. Obviously the car now wasnt safe so has been left at parents. Called up Mail Alfa dealer in Solihull and asked what could be done and they quoted me (after 2 hours investigation) £2300 to replace all locks, ecu and keys. I said surely this wasnt right as i still had 1 fully working master but they insisted yes.

Then spoke to WAD Alfa Specialists in Wolverhampton where they said no it didnt need an ecu swap. Went there today and they re-programed my current key and deleted the stolen one for just £50 !!!! So now the car cant be started but only the door opened. They are fitting a locks kit and keys at a fraction of the price !!! They also stated that even if i had lost all my keys they still wouldnt need to replace the ECU !

It really frustrates me that Main dealers can be so badly informed. Lets just say that Solihull Alfa have just lost my Service Business and have found what appears to be a great independant in Wolverhampton. :)
 

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WAD have a great reputation but Guests service are pretty good in patches too (in my experience).

I only ever use dealers for warranty work mind you as either Intaservices in Leicester or Autolusso in Bedfordshire look after our fleet:D
 
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Theoretically someone has a mechanical key to get into your
car but will not be able to start it.

But at max to be 100% secure it should only have
been 1 new lock (There's only a drivers door lock) and two new keys.
Why would they need to change the ECU? Cheeky feckers.
 

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Why would they need to change the ECU? Cheeky feckers.
because apparently there are some codes that are randomly generated in the body computer each time you start the car and they have to match the ECU ones in order for the car to start, something like the bank security token devices.
 

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....but if that were the case how can an independant resolve it where as a main dealer cant ?

because apparently there are some codes that are randomly generated in the body computer each time you start the car and they have to match the ECU ones in order for the car to start, something like the bank security token devices.
 

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my best guess is that a main dealer would go for the official/safer way to replace all the components in the security chain as an independent dealer would just reprogram/fool the computers somehow.
 
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because apparently there are some codes that are randomly generated in the body computer each time you start the car and they have to match the ECU ones in order for the car to start, something like the bank security token devices.
So what? :confused:

The car will only start with a key that is programmed into the system.

If the missing key is not present during reprogramming it will nolonger start the car.

The only thing the missing key will allow is entry to the car itself.

Thus changing the driver's side door lock would prevent this too.


1 new lock + 2 new keys (inc mechanical key) + reprogramming.

Can't be more than £300. :thumbs:

The ECO change is a complete red herring imho.
 

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just a questions... isn't your insurance covers replacement of keys/locks in cases like that?
I don't know what insurance companies cover in UK, but here that would be covered as "partial theft", and I know that's true for some other countries as well.

Nev, as I said earlier... maybe official alfa policy is to replace rather than program it for another key...
 
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Nev, as I said earlier... maybe official alfa policy is to replace rather than program it for another key...
No it can't be that. Many people have had to replace keys.
Including myself on the 147. It's not an issue.


The dealer is obviously:

a) Lacking in basic knowledge of the Alfa/Fiat system.
b) Trying to pull a scam.
 

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well... I know the whole process a friend of mine went through after his car keys got stolen and they had to replace the ECU and some other things, but it was covered by insurance... true it wasn't an alfa, but modern cars cant be that different, can they? :)
even more, last year after trying to do some "things" to my ECU ended up in getting an "electronic key not recognized" message and I had to get the car to a dealer to reset the key codes and all.

so, I don't think the dealer was trying to pull a scam but maybe someone that knows for sure would explain it to us...
 
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hi all just bought my first alfa spider 2.0ts lusso when asking dealer did he have all the keys he said yes .but i guess that question was to hard for him as when i went to pick up car it only had 1 the red key .as i had travelled all the way from elgin to cheshire i went ahead and bought the car anyways .today i went to timpsons shoes repairs and he coded a replacemant key in five mins it starts the car perfect cost was £28 not bad for peace of mind i thought . looking forward to the warmer days now :)
 
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hi all just bought my first alfa spider 2.0ts lusso when asking dealer did he have all the keys he said yes .but i guess that question was to hard for him as when i went to pick up car it only had 1 the red key .as i had travelled all the way from elgin to cheshire i went ahead and bought the car anyways .today i went to timpsons shoes repairs and he coded a replacemant key in five mins it starts the car perfect cost was £28 not bad for peace of mind i thought . looking forward to the warmer days now :)
You're in the wrong Spider Lounge. ;)

The GTV/Spider lounge will have more old threads on the
old Alfa key system. Read them well. Without the master
key you may find yourself hosed later on. ;)
 
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