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Is it worse to vote BNP or not vote at all ??

  • BNP is the worst option.

    Votes: 36 62.1%
  • Not voting at all is the worst option.

    Votes: 13 22.4%
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Both are non-event options imho. Having spent a number of hours at the local polling station with my dearest on Thursday just viewing and guessing at which party voters might choose.
 

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2 possible reasons for not voting:

Apathy

No candidate who represents you

2 possible reasons for voting BNP:

Being a racist thug

Allowing their rhetoric to cloud your view of what they really stand for.

I'd rather be apathetic or unrepresented than evil or stupid ;)

Disclaimer: I don't really think that you have to be stupid to vote for the BNP. But assuming you aren't racist, I do think you must have allowed yourself to be fooled. But clever people get fooled all the time.

I can't divorce wanting all people with a different skin colour to be deported from racism in my mind, but let's assume for a moment that the first does not conclusively prove the second, and you honestly felt that the first would in some manner help the country without causing a humanitarian disaster and destroying our economy anyway. Surely knowing that their reason for their policies was the racism thing, you still wouldn't be able to bring yourself to vote for them.
 
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The BNP in no way represent my views so there is no way I would ever consider voting for them. I feel that the major contenders have all been tainted by the expenses row. My punishment for labour is to not vote for them this time but I cannot turn off my socialist views so cannot vote for anyone else either.
 

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Good post Bazza - you worded it far better than I could have done.

The only thing I would have added is the issue of a 'wasted vote', as I see 'the vote' as something we in the UK are very fortunate to have. Some people dont have the same rights as we do.
 

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2 possible reasons for not voting:

Apathy

No candidate who represents you

2 possible reasons for voting BNP:

Being a racist thug

Allowing their rhetoric to cloud your view of what they really stand for.

I'd rather be apathetic or unrepresented than evil or stupid ;)

Disclaimer: I don't really think that you have to be stupid to vote for the BNP. But assuming you aren't racist, I do think you must have allowed yourself to be fooled. But clever people get fooled all the time.

I can't divorce wanting all people with a different skin colour to be deported from racism in my mind, but let's assume for a moment that the first does not conclusively prove the second, and you honestly felt that the first would in some manner help the country without causing a humanitarian disaster and destroying our economy anyway. Surely knowing that their reason for their policies was the racism thing, you still wouldn't be able to bring yourself to vote for them.
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Good post Bazza - you worded it far better than I could have done.

The only thing I would have added is the issue of a 'wasted vote', as I see 'the vote' as something we in the UK are very fortunate to have. Some people dont have the same rights as we do.
I know that a great many people feel as you do, that we have to use our right to vote. I very much see the point, but I don't think it can be used as a catch-all, and be correct for all situations.

A lack of vote because of apathy or laziness is a sad and worrying thing, and a waste of a right which we are lucky to have, I agree.

BUT, I do not agree that voting for a party whose policies you do not agree with is better than not voting at all. Surely it is worse? You are actively supporting something you do not agree with. I also don't see the logic in spoiling your ballot paper. I have never seen any proof to support the theory that this sends any kind of message. I've never even seen a statistic which claims what number are spoiled.

Here's another situation for you, which I would have found myself in, had my MP not decided they are going to stand down before the next general election:

According to the policies which effect me, I have a desire to vote for a particular party. However, I disagree strongly with the actions and apparent beleifs of that parties representative in my constituency (She seems to hate foxes, gays and Iraqis. I have nothing particularly against any of these groups ;) ). Where does that leave me? Do I vote for the party I support and support the MP I disagree with? Or vote against the MP I want rid off, and the party I wish to see in power?
I could have easily seen myself failing to vote in that circumstance.

BTW, thank you for saying I put my initial point across well, it's not something that I generally think is true! (As I've no dounbt proven with this load of waffle! :cheese: )
 

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I feel that a BNP vote is an ill judged and wasted vote, each and every one to their belief's but put a X next to BNP you might as well be voting National Front.
The BNP is just a makeover, to make the NF appear more "family freindly" and distance themselve's from the "Nazi Skinhead" image they had back in the 70's and 80's.
Who ever you vote for Government win's.
 

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I would say it is worse not to vote.

People have died for the right to vote, and not voting is almost as bad as giving your vote to an extremeist party.


I don't agree with telling people not to vote BNP though, they should make their own minds up. Telling people who to vote/not vote for is something that happens in places like Zimbabwe.

Instead we need the non-racist mainstream parties addressing voters concerns, so that there is no need for the BNP in the first place..
 

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I would say it is worse not to vote.

People have died for the right to vote, and not voting is almost as bad as giving your vote to an extremeist party.
How can not voting be worse, but at the same time almost as bad?
 
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I would say it is worse not to vote.

People have died for the right to vote, and not voting is almost as bad as giving your vote to an extremeist party.


I don't agree with telling people not to vote BNP though, they should make their own minds up. Telling people who to vote/not vote for is something that happens in places like Zimbabwe.

Instead we need the non-racist mainstream parties addressing voters concerns, so that there is no need for the BNP in the first place..
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I would say that people have died for our right to vote and that also gives us the choice NOT to vote. I think it is worse to use that right that was awarded to all to vote in a party that would like to then see a huge number of said voters thrown out the country.
 
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I regard not voting at all as those who stay at home and think 'I can't be bothered' - And to me, that is unforgiveable. I'd rather a person vote BNP than sit on their backside and ignore polling day.

However if one really doesn't believe in any of the options available to them, then voting for a party just for the sake of voting is wrong as well. Completely undemocratic.

Which is where the spoiled ballot comes in........
 

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You have to vote.

To those that choose(for whatever reason) not to vote,you give up your right to complain/comment on any issue that affects you you,your family,your friends or anything even remotely political.
 

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I've already put forward reasons why the last two posts don't make sense in my opinion. Rather than just repeating the same old point again, why don't you explain what you think a spoiled paper achieves for the first, and what you think someone should do if they don;t support any of the options for the second?
 

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I've already put forward reasons why the last two posts don't make sense in my opinion. Rather than just repeating the same old point again, why don't you explain what you think a spoiled paper achieves for the first, and what you think someone should do if they don;t support any of the options for the second?
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My feelings exactly Bazza. If the BNP were the only option, then I would walk away. Simply spoiling a ballot paper will not change anything, nobody will take any notice.
A few years ago at a local election, we got down to the polling station, only to find no Liberal Democrat candidate on there. We just went home, because we did not want to vote for anyone else. The next day, I phoned up the local LD campaign office, and complained about it.
 
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I've already put forward reasons why the last two posts don't make sense in my opinion. Rather than just repeating the same old point again, why don't you explain what you think a spoiled paper achieves for the first,
I always scrawl NONE OF THE ABOVE. I'm still having my say. I don't care if only one person reads it and marks it as generic 'spoiled'. That, to me at least is preferable to sitting at home with an unused voting card on the mantlepiece.

As i've said before, I've campaigned for a None of the Above option, and I shall do so again. It might come to nothing, it might not. Who knows?

But it better than not voting or voting for a party that I don't believe in.
 
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