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Hi everyone!

I've had my Brera 2.2 SV for 2.5 weeks and about 900 miles. I've checked the oil a few times and it is high - about 4 inches ABOVE the maximum level. I got the manual out yesterday, and it is a translation from Italian into pigeon English, but I think it's saying you should NEVER run the engine when the oil is above the maximum level!!

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1) Is this normal for a brand new car?
2) Could it be causing lower mpgs? I'm only getting 23 in traffic and 26 on the motorway!
3) Should I get the dealer to fix ASAP? :confused:
 

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Adherance to the lines on your dipstick will depend on many things so millimetre accuracy is impossible. Ambient temperature being one thing to affect it. BUT 4 inches is way way way too much chap and I would advise you to have some taken out. Overfilling could be seen as a sacking offence when I was doing my apprenticeship.
 

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Overfill is not good ;) puts pressure on bits and pieces like the oil pump, they have a maximum for a reason, take it back, give them a slap and tell them to sort it ;)
 

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Are you are certain you are reading the dip-stick correctly and its not only the oil being dragged up when you remove it from the tube?

If it is 4 inches over that is far too much oil and needs partially draining now.

The problem with over-filling is that the crankshaft will be submerged in the oil. This churns the oil up and causes frothing putting air in the oil.

I doubt it will seriously affect fuel consumption but engine life will be affected.
 

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Thanks guys, yeah that's what I thought! Surely the engine must be fighting really hard against all that excess oil! According to the manual, the 1 inch or so gap between max and min = 1 litre, so my engine is overfilled by 4 litres!!!! Could that be reducing MPGs and even power?
 

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Are you are certain you are reading the dip-stick correctly and its not only the oil being dragged up when you remove it from the tube?

If it is 4 inches over that is far too much oil and needs partially draining now.

The problem with over-filling is that the crankshaft will be submerged in the oil. This churns the oil up and causes frothing putting air in the oil.

I doubt it will seriously affect fuel consumption but engine life will be affected.
Well when checking the stick on a cold (stationary overnight) engine, the whole stick is coated in oil up to that level. Is there something else I should be doing when checking the stick? I feel like a bit of an idiot now!
 

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Over filling of oil can lead to gasket/seal failures due to increased pressure !! :(

In the extreme cases it can lead to Hydraulic locking of the engine !! :eek:

As Gibbo said whoever filled your motor up wants sacking !! :mad:

Excellent linky PP BTW ;)
 

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Well when checking the stick on a cold (stationary overnight) engine, the whole stick is coated in oil up to that level. Is there something else I should be doing when checking the stick? I feel like a bit of an idiot now!
Checking anytime after about 15-20mins should be enough for the oil to drain fully into the sump.

Level ground is obviously important.

Remove the dip-stick and wipe it clean of any oil traces.

Replace the dip stick without rotating it. I like to have the calibrated side facing forwards.

Remove it carefully and take the reading. If you are unsure just re-wipe it and take another reading.

It should be a simple process but like anything some practice helps. I'm always careful in checking the oil as its not difficult to get a false reading but fairly obvious if the line is dragged sideways higher on one edge.

You should be checking weekly anyway. Important for Alfas.

Fuel economy will suffer due to the oil being churned up but by how much I don't know....It can only get better with the correct level.
 

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Checking anytime after about 15-20mins should be enough for the oil to drain fully into the sump.

Level ground is obviously important.

Remove the dip-stick and wipe it clean of any oil traces.

Replace the dip stick without rotating it. I like to have the calibrated side facing forwards.

Remove it carefully and take the reading. If you are unsure just re-wipe it and take another reading.

It should be a simple process but like anything some practice helps. I'm always careful in checking the oil as its not difficult to get a false reading but fairly obvious if the line is dragged sideways higher on one edge.

You should be checking weekly anyway. Important for Alfas.

Fuel economy will suffer due to the oil being churned up but by how much I don't know....It can only get better with the correct level.
Thanks mate! That's pretty much what I thought. It's so high, I doubt its' a false reading. I'll double check tonight.
 

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Cool. I've arranged to drive over to HRO's service dept tomorrow lunch for a while-you-wait excess oil drain! More time I get to send in my beautiful new Brera! Oh, and hopefully I will get to take a peek at the Lambos etc!
 

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Good question. I noticed when I got back from hols and the car had been standing for a while - having been serviced just before I went away - that mine was over the max mark too, but not to this level - maybe half an inch, and from the fact I supplied my own oil it looks like .6l too much went in. For a car with quite a large capacity and sump, and oil cooler etc - i.e. a lot of places for the oil to go - I'm not too bothered but am being even more careful than usual on a cold engine especially. The mpg is identical to before so I know nothing major is going on.

Overfill of the degree you have is a problem for sure, as others have pointed out, and quite possibly is causing mpg issues!

Annoyingly, I have a hand pump for oil/other fluids with a thin tube extension for putting down the dipstick tube and pumping out oil, but when I tried it it didn't work, I don't think the tube was going right into the sump :(
 

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Overfill of the degree you have is a problem for sure, as others have pointed out, and quite possibly is causing mpg issues!
Interesting. I've never had a brand new car before and didn't quite know what to expect, but just from the feel of the engine and from watching the 'Current MPG' counter I really thought the engine was fighting harder against something than it should, and yet remaining smooth and powerful. I think an extra 4 litres has to have a negative effect.


But hey lets' look on the bright side; it's done 900 miles of fairly gentle cruising, there are no indications of engine damage, and if 4 litres is drained out tomorrow, whatever nasty metal shavings that have come off during these initial miles should get drained out..?
 

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The extra oil will cause drag on the crank as it rotates (As said above it will be submerged), hence your poor fuel consumption.
 

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The extra oil will cause drag on the crank as it rotates (As said above it will be submerged), hence your poor fuel consumption.
Yep that's essentially what I was thinking. Which begs the question; could some of the Brera 2.4 and 3.2 owners be experiencing the same problem?? There are a lot of threads about low Brera MPGs in general, I know it's not necessarily down to one thing, but this could be a contributing factor...
 
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