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Apologies to those that have seen this on the Alfaowner forum. Just trying to cover all bases.

Hi all.

Wednesday night I got caught out in a flood.
Engine took in water and went hydraulic on number one piston and that was the end. I've yet to take the head off but the bottom end is locked and number one piston won't come past TDC. It is locked solid at that point so looks like a bent conrod. Looking down the spark plug recess I can also see that the piston is cracked across its diameter from left to right. When an engine is under this sort of pressure it's fair to say that there may well be more, as yet unseen, damage.

To say I'm gutted about this would be an understatement. Even more so because the whole episode that night was a nightmare. I won't bore you with the details just now of what will one day be an amusing story when I look back.

Anyway the car is an 'R' registered 1997 155 1.8 TS 16v with ONLY 51K on the clock.

There are various options open to me.

Rebuilt the engine - May not be able to do this depending on the total extent of the engine damage.

Fit a new engine. ££££££££££££££ Any idea how much ?

Fit a good second hand LOW mileage engine from a donor car, ie salvage.

Fit a recon - MUST be a good one from a reputable engine specialist.

Do nothing !!!

Any other options welcome.

To save me trawling the web and making loads of phone calls I'm hoping that my fellow Alfisti can help me out. What I'm looking for are things like, "here's a good place to go for a new/recon engine." Or "these guys will will do an excellent rebuild job." Any thoughts on prices on any of the options ?

I'd appreciate a few jokes as well to cheer me up a bit. Me is feeling a little on the glum side at the moment.

Thanks in advance guys.
 
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get your yellow pages and look for "1st choice" ring them and give them all the info of what you want they then put it on computer and every breaker in the uk(well almost)who has one will phone you with a price.i use this service all the time and its never failed you will normaly get the first call within 20mins..most of them will also deliver it for about £40..you MUST check if its on an exchange basis or you will be charged £350 surcharge for not returning the old engine most also come with a least 6months warranty...also try "find-a-part". :) ..........dont take the first one get a few first so you get the best deal.
 
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failing that nip round to wrinx's with some spanners and nick the one out his blue 155. :D
 

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Thx for that. Couple of additional questions.

What would the technicalities be if I was to drop a 2 litre lump in ?

Can I claim back from the local authorities as they are responsible for the road ? Or am I just taking the **** with that one ? 'Force majeur' et cetera.

Thx again.
 
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I assume by 'flood' you mean the recent deluge, in which case its an "act of god" - doesn't your own insurance cover you ? or are you 3rd party ?

I don't think you've any recourse to claim the council.

Sorry I can't offer any help re engine sourcing / rebuilding. Best of luck (I think you're due some)
 

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I had to get an engine in some time ago and it costed me around €1500 fitted and with everything still fitted to the engine like, waterpump, oilpump, injection system, other words, everything that is hooked to the engine got replaced.
 
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I had a factory recon unit from alfa it cost £1600 + vat took a long while to get it but they gave me 12 months warrantee with it as long as alfa fluids were used and it was fitted by a professional.

Call your dealer and ask, it might take some getting through to them that they can supply it. WAD in Wolverhampton are a good source of engines.
 

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Thanks for your replies so far. I made a few calls on Saturday pricing up engines. I can't do this on the cheap and throw a bag of nails in as the car's only five years old having done 51K. So the right engine to replace the broken one will be a substantial outlay which is why I'm even considering buying another car (yes an Alfa 155).

I've yet to take the head off and drop the sump so I don't know the full extent of the damage but in order to rebuild this engine it will need a complete strip down to ensure that any components that look ok are in fact ok. This again will be a serious financial outlay. A work colleague suggested that if it's only the number one cylinder con rod and piston that is damaged then I should be able to swap them out. I disagree with this theory due to the fact that the severe pressure an engine is under when it goes hydraulic does damage beyond what the eye can see hence the need to be sure with the remainder of the engine. Anyone care to comment ?

Suggestions regarding my first post are most welcome.

Cheers,

Jeff.
 

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sorry to here the news a suggestion might be to try and fit an engine that might be more available i know that souds a daft as the engine is the hart of the car but maybe something
a bit different like a fiat coupe engine ive no idea if its do able but its italian in it and its a nice 5 pot ,just thought you would have to swap ecu an things, stupid idea but the thought was there. have you considerd the 155 for sale on the furum with a sick engine is it worse than yours or is it repairable and you could sell the rest of the car in parts to finance it? frown
 

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I carried on working on the Alfa last night. The cylinder head is now off and thankfully the head and valves appear to be ok. Other good news is that the crack in the piston is in fact carbon deposit. Piston 1 is sitting about 3 mm lower than 4 so this is where we definitely have a bent conrod which is the cause of the engine lock. Hopefully the crank & block are not damaged. Haven’t dropped the sump yet but all four pistons et cetera will be coming out for closer inspection. The interior of the car also took on water so had to be gutted.

Time for the induction kit me thinks.
 

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Update. Sump is now off and number one conrod is bent and twisted. Everything else including the block look ok. Only trouble is the piston and conrod won't come up the bore to be removed 'cos the conrod is bent and won't travel. I don't really want to remove the crank as this means more work. Anyway I'm working on a way to get the bastid out. Watch this space.
 
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use a very sharpe chissel and smash the piston then the con rod should either fall out the bottom or come up.
 

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Another update. Is anyone interested in this saga ?

Number one condrod and piston are now out. Bit of a job considering the con rod was bent but managed to get it out without having to remove the crank. Head has been stripped down ready for a skim. Before the flood damage the cam variator was on it's way out so I'll replace that while I'm at it.

Anyone know where I can pick up some cam locks at a reasonable price ?

BTW. Will the BMC induction kit advertised in the shop for the 156 go into the 155 ?

Thx,

Jeff.
 
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Not wishing to rub salt into the open wound here, but........am I correct in remembering that 155's are designed in such a way as to make deep water a real problem. Something about the air intake???? Can anyone confirm this?

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You're absolutely right Wrinx. The lowest part of the air intake is in behind the wheel arch liner in front of the OS front wheel. This particular road I got caught on is never a problem but on this occasion the car in front wasn't a Toyota and stalled. I had to stop and didn't turn the engine off quick enough. The rest you know from my previous notes.

I really would like to fit an induction kit but I've read mixed reports about the K&N induction kit and there doesn't seem to be a BMC induction kit for the 155.

Cheers,

Jeff.
 
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I wonder why the later cars have the air intake so low ???? The 8 valves have the air intake just under the bonnet striker panel. If the water was deep enough to be sucked in, you would probably drown. :confused:

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angel...go to any motorfactor that deals with SEALEY they do the cam locks but there not cheap about £150 if i remember....i saw in a magazine the other day a company who rents workshop tools cant remember who.(no help then). :confused:
 
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