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less than 15000 miles/2 years, i pull both the balance shaft belt and the CAM belt off without removing any of the tension... Well shocked, i wont be going to the garge that i had fit it again...will deffo DIY again next time...
 
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:eek: & :eek: again! - couldn't begin to hazard a guess to the mileage, but know it is wrong
 

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Eish, not good. I casually checked a few people's cars before, (after they were at a dealership), and have seen that twice. Exactly why I do the servicing myself. :eek:
 

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notice the tipex markers for timing:eek::eek:

not good,amatureish:mad:
 

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the belt looks 'fresh', what wrong is that the tensioner will be FULLY slack, will probally be a white one which would be worn.

its a common suitation to find
 

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Can you explain the issue for a mechanical dumbass? Is it just that the belt doesn't seem taut? Or are there other tell-tales I'm missing?
 

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Whoever set that cambelt needs a Kick in the wotsits.

Back street bodge merchant, without the correct tools. :rant:


Bazza the belt is supposed to be pretty tight, basically here the spring in the tensioner is not doing anything, possibly because it has moved, or most likely because it was set wrongly in the first place.

Setting the timing without the locks makes tensioning the belt very difficult, as well as making the timing wrong.
 

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The was done 15k miles ago, by an ex-alfa dealer mechanic, in the swansea area. I've noticed a rattle on the car for a while but discounted the belt because it had been changed, wasnt happy about the running of the car.
I then decided to change the belt since i found this any all was made clear...
 

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There might be a reason why he is now an ex-Alfa mechanic. ;)


This sort of thing makes me wonder though, unless you can find a specialist that has a good reputation, you are better off doing the job yourself.

The TS/JTS belt is not especially difficult as long as you use the right tools and you take care when doing it.

Just out of interest, were the balance shafts lined up correctly?
 

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the belt could ahve been correctly tensioned bUT coz the tensioner has a white wheel [ i'm guessing here ] that wheel has worn allowing the belt to become slack...... they guy could ahve done 100% perfect job at the time.

side note: my friend got his Skoda Octavias timing belt done recently & now its whining a bit. Skoda say yhey intentionally over tension the belt as they 'strecth' over its lifetime & that the whining will 'wear-out' of it after a while
 

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the belt could ahve been correctly tensioned bUT coz the tensioner has a white wheel [ i'm guessing here ] that wheel has worn allowing the belt to become slack...... they guy could ahve done 100% perfect job at the time.

side note: my friend got his Skoda Octavias timing belt done recently & now its whining a bit. Skoda say yhey intentionally over tension the belt as they 'strecth' over its lifetime & that the whining will 'wear-out' of it after a while
I am pretty sure the issue wasn't down to the wheel wearing Pat, it was down to the plastic part breaking up and coming away from the bearing inside.

The black plastic early versions were even worse. :eek:

The black plastic fixed tensioner can still collape though if the belt has been overtightened, and when it has collaped the belt will be slack. (looks ok in the above picture though)
 

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same on my car after 3 years and 32K, completely slack !!! could put my finger between tensioner and belt..
been driving on a potential disaster !!!!!!
 

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the belt could ahve been correctly tensioned bUT coz the tensioner has a white wheel [ i'm guessing here ] that wheel has worn allowing the belt to become slack...... they guy could ahve done 100% perfect job at the time.

side note: my friend got his Skoda Octavias timing belt done recently & now its whining a bit. Skoda say yhey intentionally over tension the belt as they 'strecth' over its lifetime & that the whining will 'wear-out' of it after a while
It is a white tensioner, you can see it in the pics, the belts DO NOT become slack as they wear in, they remain tensioned which is why the tensioner is self adjusting.

The overtensioning of a belt is a bad practice, they should be set as the guide says so that the tensioner can take up slack with wear, again, it's why they are self adjusting.


The whole problem here for the untrained eye is that the belt is loose, the tensioner has not been set since the belts where changed, if you look closely you'll see the balance belts loose too and that NONE of the tensioners or idlers were replaced, IMO this guys gashness is the reason he's an ex-alfa mech, unlike myself who found Alfas too simple to work and moved onto tougher things.
 

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btw its a credit to the TS engine that it still ran with belts that loose !!!!
 

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A quick question for those in the know. Apologies for the hi-jack.
Whick tensioner is the correct, or advised one?
The white tensioner is mentioned here, but I remember mention of another type, with advice like "if it has the wrong one, get it done asap".Problem is, I cant remember which is the one you should have.
Which tensioner is Correct?
 

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white = wrong

metal = better.
 
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