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Hi everyone, new to the forums and bought my first used 2008 159 1.9jtdm lusso (150bhp) the other day (my first Alfa!) I really want to love this car as it is a thing of great beauty but my experience is not going great so far. I bought the car from a dealer in Oldham, as it was the nearest I could find at the time (I live in Hull which is about 1 hour and a half away). On the test drive everything seemed fine but we only had a short drive around the local area which didn't really give me an opportunity to fully open it up.
After completing the purchase and driving home my suspicions were immediately raised. I had previously owned a 2002 1.9 tdi Passat with 130 bhp which had heaps of torque and really kicked you in the back when you put your foot down. I was expecting the Alfa to be faster as it had higher bhp and faster 0-60 time quoted on Parkers directory. Acceleration seemed pedestrian, especially in 2nd gear which almost seemed pointless. Things picked up a bit in third and fourth but I was expecting so much more. Having lurked in this forum for a week or two before purchase I thought it may be the dpf filter which required a regen and dropped into fourth to overtake. About half way past the car, at about 3000rpm the power suddenly dropped into what I assume was limp mode. It's then that I noticed that the engine management light is lit although I can't be certain for how long it had been on. The car struggled to go above 70mph for the rest of the journey and pushing the accelerator flat to the floor had no effect on speed. The turbo pressure guage still moved up and down as usual and the current mpg did not plumet. I therefore assume that this was not a dpf regen.
When I got home and switched it off and back on again the pre limp mode performance returned but the engine management light remained on.
Obviously my first call was to the garage where I had purchased the car. He said said to take it to a garage and have the fault codes cleared and see if anything reoccurs. If it does he'll sort out what ever it is.
What are your thoughts? The rational part of me thinks drop this car like a hot potato but my heart would love to keep this car if it could be sorted out (it really is in great cosmetic condition for its age)
 

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Can't comment on the problems you're having, but in answer to the title of your thread:
0-62 mph - 9.2 for the manual (9.5 Q-Tronic), top speed 132 mph (130).
 

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150bhp isn't much these cars are built solid & have a heavy chassis platform, the v6 in first & 2nd isn't that quick either. I'd get yours in at a specialist to see what's up then see if the dealer will honour your bill.
Not a diesel fan but check out what the 159 owners have done in terms of performance enhancements, dpf removal, remap ect
 

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Firstly welcome!

Have a look in the stickies, there is a power loss guide which details a lot of the common issues, easiest to get the code read, but could be the MAF, try disconnecting it and see if it resolves the issue. Also try the other ones.
To help with general performance, go through blanking the EGR, really helps with the low end and off the line performance. Most of the 1.9s seem to suffer from the EGR in any case. Blanking will also help prevent problems in the future.


Any spelling/ grammatical errors are purely there to annoy!
 

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Thanks for the replies guys, in relation to acceleration I think the Passat I had was 9.6 sec 0-60 so I was expecting this alfa to feel at least as pokey. It feels seriously underpowered in its current state.
I've read about egr valve blocking and dpf removal remap etc before purchase and have thought about giving them a shot but feel that the dealer should bear some responsibility for selling a car in an unfit state. I don't really know what my rights are. I did get a 3 month warranty with warrantywise so I could persue that avenue or at the moment at least, the dealer seems willing to play ball. However, I have google them and a few dodgy reviews have come up So I don't know whether I should trust them. I've also read about someone who took a car to a garage, had everything sorted and then issued a chargeback on his card for the full amount. What are your thoughts on any of the above? Thankyou so much for your advice so far, it's great to be able to pick the brains of long standing and experienced alfa users!
 

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I have no experience with this kind of thing but am fairly practical with most things. Do I just download the free version of the software onto a laptop and then buy a cable to connect it to the car? Where is the interface?
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Halfords, Quickfit, ATS euromaster or any of the big names can read fault codes and clear them for a small fee. With warranty i think you'd be ok as you've just bought it, worth giving them a call and keep any bills
 

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Thanks for the reply, do you think clearing the codes would be a good idea? I can't help but think the dealer is trying to buy some time or something given that the performance indicates something needs attention in my opinion.
 

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I would read a failure codes before apply dealer back and discuss it here.
It helps you be ready to discuss problem properly.
I am not sure particular dealer behaviour to sort such cases out, but for newbee it is good though.
PS. 2nd gear with 19JTDM should be good enough.
 

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Thanks guys, I really appreciate the help. I'll get to Halfords tomorrow as they're open on Sundays and will report back here with the error codes.
 

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Just a bit of additional information, aftwr waiting for the glow plug light to go off on the dash it always turns over a good few times before starting and I've noticed knocking coming from the front suspension when driving over bumps in the road. From what I've read on here it seems the slow start up could be linked to the overall issue throwing the engine management light on (either blocked egr valve or dpf filter/maf sensor) but the knocking seems to indicate worn suspension arms or something.
 

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Such cases are normaly asked about value of the car paid...
I am not a big guru for british alfa remarketing and similar question may be politically incorrect as I have learned... Read failure codes. Starter takes energy off. Glow plugs and suspension are different story. Generally sounds suspicious.
 

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I personally would expect 130 mph from a 150bhp car. Acceleration may or may not be within previous marques owned but my old car had 115bhp and could do 130 easily. My G with 170 bhp has not yet given me the chance to explore the full top speed. But holiday involving the Bahn is drawing nearer! My tyres are rated to 168mph so hopefully will see 145mph on the longer runs.
 

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If you are considering the whole EGR\DPF, remap etc, give Gus at Alfatune a call, he has been doing for years and you WILL be very impressed with performance once he gets finished. You can liberate another 50+ HP and gobs more torque as well as making it more driveable and economical, what's not to like?
 

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Save the stress and see if you have that 2 week money back thing from the dealer? Did you pay cash or Hp the car?
Sounds like the last owner traded in a problem car, it will probably need lots of money thrown at it. The dealer should be open sundays too
 

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I don't have experience with the 1.9 version but my 2.4 did seem to be running less than the quoted 200bhp. I put it down to being automatic and a heavy car. After a major service including eger clean and MAP clean the car really flew, I did all the work DIY. One thing of note though, these engines are not mapped like a VAG engine and will feel laggy and unresponsive in the low engine range in comparision.

The dealer in your case would be supposed to put things right. Do not just take your car to a mechanic though, return the car to the dealer and tell him you will return for it when it is fixed. Reseting fault codes is not going to help you as the fault will return, possibly when the car is out of the 3 month dealers obligation. Then it is difficult to prove the fault was existent in the first place and you will be left with the issue on your own. I would advise you to get the fault codes read and ask the opinion of a mechanic as to the issue and how it could be resolved. At least that way when you take it to the dealer you will know what you are talking about and what work you would expect to have done. If the work isn't done as expected refuse to accept the car back until it has been completed properly. Many used car dealers will try to do the minimum possible which ultimately ends up costing the customer more.

Hope you get this resolved, it's unlikely to be a serious issue and quite likely to be emission related in one way or another.
 

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I have a similar problem with my 2.4 Spider if I red line her. It over boosts the engine and the warning light comes on. She then won't pull at all unless I switch the engine off for a couple of hours...... seems to cure the problem but EML stays on to remind me not to be a numpty
 

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To read fault codes I can recommend one of these.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/271623595403?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT

All you need is an Andriod phone with Bluetooth and a Free App called Torque.

I also have a U480 code ready from ebay which works most of the time, but on my Renault it failed to identify one of the codes, but the Bluetooth item did.

Has to be better than spending money at a dealer to get the codes read, it is probably something simple like the MAF
 
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