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I got in my car today (147...1.6) and after startup the car would not go into gear,the feel of the clutch seemed the same as normal but it just wouldnt go into gear
I turned the engine off and i could select all gears
i then put the car in 1st and started the engine,with the clutch depressed, and the car started
I then noticed that even withe the clutch depressed i still had a bit of drag,upon lifting the pedal higher to set off the overall biting point was the same
I the had to snatch through all the gears to get myself home(pain in the arse when i got stuck in traffic )
Got home switched off went in and made a brew....Came back out to the car tried driving it and all was normal again up and down through all gears all fine no problems ????
Just gone back to it again now and I can not get gear again ???
Been thinking could it be the clutch slave cylinder ???? If it is how much am i looking at ???
If its not what else could it be ???
Any help would be great Thanks...John
 

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Check under the bellhousing for any leaks, this is there the slave cylinder shows itself.

Failing that it could be a master cylinder issue, has or does yours squeak when you depress the clutch?

Look from the driver's footwell, and follow the clutch pedal assembly, you can see the master cylinder pushrod, sometimes this might also show a leak.
 

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I'll check for leaks when i get chance.As for a squeak alls smooth when pressing the pedal up and down no noises nothing ????? Thanks
 

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No worries, the creak is another common fault, mine was the sign of a failing master cylinder.

Have you tried bleeding the clutch? This shares common fluid with the brakes, so might be heat related, again that's a simple job, and allowed me to continue for a few extra days on my busted master cylinder
 

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Checked for leaks and all is dry.
Tried bleeding it and no air. Will try with someone pumping the pedal next
 

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It sounds like a good old fashioned clutch release bearing worn out.

Those fellas sit in a recess and when you press the pedal, that fork presses the release bearing against the clutch prongs. The bearing itself has a square body (plastic tabs) to locate it.. and these are subjected to rotational forces.

When the prongs wear, the bearing moves into space normally occupied by the prongs (further out of its recess than it should be) and sometimes it can slip round (the plastic tab is not strong enough to hold it fixed in place).. so you get random/weird clutch behaviour. If the bearing tabs pop back into the square slot.. all becomes "normal" again...

How old is the clutch... and do you know for sure if the release bearing was replaced? Last time I looked at Titch (the Younger Mrs S.' Cinquecento) the clutch was Borg :D and the bearing the OE Valeo.. so they don't always get changed together.



Ralf S.
 

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Just bled it with someone pressing the pedal
Didn't see any air on the 1st press, might of missed it though
Defo no air on the 2nd
Tried it again and still wouldnt go into gear
And the pedal was spongy.
Went for a brew, came back and the pedal felt ok??
Started the car and selected all gears without a problem ??
Try it again in a few hours and see
Booked in at a garage on Friday wanted to know what It could be so I don't get ripped off
Thanks
 

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Could well be a broken torsion spring in the clutch centre plate. One of these springs may have broken out and wedged in the pressure plate. When you switched off the spring fell into a position which did not impede the operation of the clutch. Next time you started it's wedged again. Had many cars of all makes do this and the symptoms are exactly as you first described, start in gear and the clutch drags, but doesn't properly bite until it reaches the normal point. If it was a hydraulic problem the pedal should have felt spongy right away. Clutch change will sort it.
 

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Thats my thought now..Pedal always felt fine so was'nt sure
Thanks

just remembered my mk2 escort did that (dropped a spring from the clutch plate) the other year

Thanks again
 

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Had the clutch replaced now and the slave cylinder
Looks like a piece of spring from the plate had got into the thrust bearing and destroyed it
Wish I'd of had more time to do it myself could of saved myself a few quid
Thanks for everybody's help

John
 
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