Why worry about fuel consumption with a Cloverleaf....owners of these clearly don't give a monkeys. They want to use the power and drive it with intent.

From information gathered from sales guys, one owner and a few comments on ARF it's 27mpg average which is on a par with most hatches at that level.

 

I've no idea where AR get 37mpg from!
I get around 26mpg around town and a touch over 30mpg on a motorway run.... but then again I cannot resist the loud pedal!
As has been said. I didn't buy it for the economy.. I had a GT JTD for 6 years for that.
Performance wise. It has the low down torque of the JTD, which I prefered over the more rev happy 1.4MA. In terms of speed, a certain motorway slip road that I frequent, the QV is 20mph faster over the same distance

Iv.

 

I had one for a week (on trial) and did about 1000 miles, of which roughly half was motorway, a quarter was A/B road hooning like I didn't own it (coz I didn't) and a quarter was nose-to-tail commuting around Manchester/M60. I got bang on 30mpg which wasn't bad, I thought.

 

If i get those sort of figures i will be well happy.

 

Thanks for the replies so far.
Plasma, I'm not too worried about fuel, but it will be nice to know what to expect.

I know that giving 235 Italian ponies a good workout will make them very thirsty

Ivansalfa, Those are better figures than i was expecting. I've had my 147JTDM for 4.5years and it does about 32 around town and about 43 on a motorway run (47mpg at 60 with cruise on). Both way less than the quoted figures. During the snow i averaged 28mpg over 1 full tank of fuel.
The QV i testdrove only had 15miles on it so was restricted on power and torque. My 147 felt quicker low down the rev range. It felt very much like turbo lag. I put this down to engine management restrictions.
The 1.4MA had 3000miles and felt on a par to my 147.
I ordered the QV on the pretence that it just has to be quicker than the 1.4 when its run in, so i hope this is the case.
I hope you continue to enjoy yours for years to come too.

 

I can garantee that your QV will be MUCH MUCH quicker than the 1.4 let alone your 147 !!!! You will love it ! With a car having just 15miles you cant do a thing cause everything is still so much tight. I have seen such an enormous difference from the day I first got her to today with 900 miles on clock.

As regards to Turbo Lag, I dont see any at all , the power is just instant and amazing. Ive got an induction kit, and I just cant stop putting the pedal all the way down !

I just get 23mpg but as somebody before said , I dont give a monkey all I care about is that every time I drive her, there is always a smile on my face ! :thumbs:

 

I would say my QV is about the same as my 2.0 GTV was... between 26 & 31 mpg urban/small amout of motorway.

But, who cares with a car as good as this! My wife is sick of me keep telling how much I'm still loving the Giulietta but I'm finding it sooo adictive! :thumbs:

 

I would say my QV is about the same as my 2.0 GTV was... between 26 & 31 mpg urban/small amout of motorway.

Sounds about the same as what I'm managing.

There are loads of posts on this site about this 1000mile power restriction.

http://www.alfaowner.com/Forum/alfa-giulietta/247497-giulietta-1000-mile-run-in-period.html

I have also been told this by notts dealer and willenhall dealer.
Lots of owners have commented that they do notice a power increase at around the 1000mile mark.

If there is not a restriction in power then the one i test drove would be a bit of a let down compared to the MA that i drove.

Good to see that more than 25mpg is achievable.

There seems to be an element of urban legend about this mysterious 1000 mile restriction. There was a suggestion that the MA engines were restricted so this wouldn't apply to the Tbi engined QV anyway.

Can't say I've noticed any difference other than the normal gradual 'lossening' of the engine as the miles go on. Certainly no magic switch at 1000 miles.

 

Clocked 3000 km with mine in less than 3 weeks Consumption is 25-26 mpg, more "n" would push that figure up a bit, but just cannot resist to put G in d'smile mode (as twanspider already mentioned). And yes at start it is very tight, but you can feel improvement by every km.

 

Thats good to hear about the performance improvement.
My work trip is 3 miles (30mph max) each way mon to fri, so it will be just about up to temp by the time i arrive, so these trips will be in N mode.
I suspect as soon as the temp gets up to normal on longer journeys "smile mode" will be activated

 

460 mile round trip to Bristol. 36 mpg on the way down, with cruise control on 70 for much of the journey. 33 mpg total, suggesting 31 for the return leg, with more fun factor. Other observations:

- Car in D for most of the journey, just used N for town element

- 70 equates to just shy of 2,500 revs, with one segment of the turbo display showing

- No turbo lag when you need to accelerate from that speed for any reason

- Lots of admiring glances on the motorway. Only saw one alfa (Brera) on the whole trip

 

Thanks for your info so far everyone. It is appreciated.
36mpg is pretty impressive Ethers. I don't get much more in my 1.9d on a run.

Just heading off topic a second.
I have still only seen a handfull of G's (5 or 6) on the road myself & I do keep a good look out.

I did manage to get a parking spot next to a red 08 plate GT today at Burger King (M6 J9) today. I then went to sainsburys (off green lane walsall) and there was a spot free next to another 147 (silver 07 jtdm). I can't remember the last time i have managed to get a spot next to another alfa in a car park. Twice in the same day is a first in 4.5 years.

 

Thanks for your info so far everyone. It is appreciated.
36mpg is pretty impressive Ethers. I don't get much more in my 1.9d on a run.

You'll see a massive difference in fuel consumption between your current car and a Giulietta QV! The 150 Fiat/GM diesel is still one of the best value for money (where performance is concerned) engines going and returns excellent mpg. I get 45 per gallon with mine with some fun in the mix.....there may be something up with yours!?

A thread about how economical a QV is interesting and I'm just as curious as the next Alfa fan....but unfortunately facts have to be faced and the harsh truth is it's going to be a very thirsty little bugger thats for sure. Whoever buys one will just have to accept this as part ownership.

I really want one one...but the economical issues are a problem. Also the fact that it's a Giulietta (modern car) with an old tech engine... I'm afraid of driving along in one over the next year or so wishing I'd waited for the high performance Multiair (TCT version) which can't be too far off. I also find it annoying that the 1.8TB doesn't have a little more 'green' thought put into it like start stop or energy saving braking systems like the german brands.

Theres also alot of praise for the 1.4 Multiair compared to the CL which I find strange. Most journalists have stated they prefer the little dude over the 230 bhp!? Theres got to be something wrong there

 

I have yet to see a G on the road (East London) though plenty of Mito's.

 

Hi Plasma,

I'm not too bothered about the consumption, just interested to see how far off the official figures it is.

My 1.9jtdm 16v has never got anywhere near the official figures. After 12 months of the dealer telling me it will get better as the car beds in, i took it back and gave it to them to have a look at. They couldnt find anything on the diagnostics and took it for a trip up the motorway and came back saying they got 52mpg.
I got 51 on the one courtesy car, but could only get 44mpg in mine on my way home.
Perhaps it is because its Red or my right foot just prefers to sit horizontal.

With regard to waiting for a better engine, my car is purchased by my car allowance and my company requires my car to be less than 5 years old. Mine is 5 in Oct so i need to change sometime this year and i decided to order it now and enjoy it through the summer rather than wait for October with wet days and dark nights .

 

For sure.....I'd do exactly the same as you and I'm sure the QV will be a fantastic purchase! I'm of course partly jealous and bitter....I drive 20k a year and and a QV is simply out of the question. There dosen't seem to be any alternatives with the Giulietta for me.....I don't like the 1.6/2.0Jtdm models, the 1.4 as a very small engine and I'm not confident that its a good enough mile muncher. SO the QV is perfect apart from the apalling fuela consumption. I wonder what it's like driving around in N all the time....maybe I could get it programmed to only activate D form Friday evening to Sunday evening:lol:

 

Can one of the lucky Cloverleaf G owners please do me a favour

Can you work out how much it's costs to fill a full tank. I'm guessing about £60 - £65....and how many miles you get for that with mixed driving.

Cheers for an help.

Incidentally....I was chatting to a 1.4 MA owner at lunchtime today and the biggest disappointment the mentioned after 4000 miles of ownership has been how thirsty the car is!

 

Can one of the lucky Cloverleaf G owners please do me a favour

Can you work out how much it's costs to fill a full tank. I'm guessing about £60 - £65....and how many miles you get for that with mixed driving.

It's a 60l tank so would cost about £75 to fill from empty. I get about 26/27mpg (with not much motorway driving) so range is about 400 miles.

I should add that I seem to be visiting the petrol station with noticably less frequency than with my old 156 2.0TS so god only knows what the mileage on that was in reality :cheese:

 

Hi GQV owners ,

Does 1750 TBI Giulietta engine produce 235 horse power continiously or is it a timed overboosted power ? I couldn't find any documents ect.Any info ? Thanks.

 

I was under the impression that its during over boost but i can't remember where i read it.

 

I think it's 235PS = 232BHP ?

The performance figures would suggest it's only for very short bursts:

GL CL : 232 bhp 340nm 1395kg 0-60 = 6.8
GTV V6 : 237 bhp 289nm 1410kg 0-60 = 6.3

 

Just been reading this post as the Giulietta QV interests me as a future purchase.

My 159 1750 TBi seems to delivering about the same fuel consumption at around 30mpg.

I would have thought the Giulietta would have been slightly better being a lighter car.

Those EU fuel consumption figures are just a total myth :rant:

 

I have a question about my QV.

When im driving with around 20-30km/h and without pressing the gas pedal, the instantaneous consumption is changing weirdly. It goes from i.e 5-7-10 l/100kms and drops to 2 l/ 100kms... a weird fluctiation happens(the numbers are not exact).It sometimes increases without pressing anything. I don't know why.

 

I assume you are holding the car at a steady speed on flat level ground?
Does it change much with cruise on?
Was it a windy day when you saw it happen?

My 147's instant consumption is fairly consistant on flat roads with no wind.
as soon as i get to a slight incline it drops quite quickly. It also drops when there are medium to strong head wind gusts.

 

I don't know if it's harmful for my beast to drive it between 1k-2k rpm , but I can reach to 28-31 mpg. Boring drive

But when I drive in high revs, 17-20 mpg tops

 

Thanks for the feedback Mashira, you have some thirsty horses there.
Only got a few more weeks till i can see how thirsty mine is.

 

How is the performance side on the CL? I tried googling for actual 0-100 km/h (or 0-60 mph) figures instead of the official 6.8 sec on 0-100 km/h with no luck so far. Anybody seen any tests with actual figures?

 

Ethers,

Is that the 8C color you have? Looks amazing.

 

there is QV test in the german magazine sport auto...it got better marks than golf gti....but 0-100 km/h time was just 7,7sec...

 

7.7 Seconds ? Thats it im gonna trade my QV for a G 1.4 170 !:lol:

 

They must have used third gear!

Ok I have mentioned this at another forum in here and I ll explain briefly again. I DO believe that the GQV has crappy 0-100 (compared to other equivalent cars ofcourse) but it doesn't matter at all and I ll explain immediately. 1st of all GQV needs 3rd gear to reach 100 (don't look at your speedometer to prove me wrong it lies by 5km/hour) so YES they used 3rd gear to reach it. 2nd 0-100 is a measure that is completely "lab based". I mean you cant compare 2 cars by it in any way if they don't have exactly the same gearbox. Another car might have better 0-100 but be in total slower which means that if you start accelerating at a traffic light against it you might be ahead of it at 140km/h since nobody stops to accelerate at 100 (if you don't have to). In the case of the QV you might even be ahead at 95km/h (before you have to change to 3rd gear). Good example is the Golf GTI, it has way better 0-100 in real measures but the 1000 meters cover time it needs is identical to the GQV which means that they are equally fast. Btw since I mentioned it, this 2 cars are very close in almost all measures something natural if you consider that they have almost equal HP and before you tell me GQV has 235 and Golf GTI 211 I ll tell you the following. ABSOLUTELY verified now (ofcourse from DYNO tests) from a lot of sources GQV produces about 225hp and Golf about 220. So one manufacturer lies one way and the other (Germans very often declare less for specific tax reasons that apply in Germany) lies the opposite way.

 

They must have used third gear!

 

Hi All

First update on my consumption.
I'm now upto 145 miles and on a steady trip to Nottingham and back yesterday i managed to get 34.6mpg which is quite impressive.
I know this will drop as my milage increases and my right foot gets heavier, but its nice to know reasonable consumption is possible.

Cruising speed of 70mph

 

10 weeks to go for my QV and can't wait .

Have to admit I was impressed by the manufacturer quoted figures (37 av) as I'm getting about 30 (28 in winter) in my 159 2.2 which is a bloody disgrace .

Interesting to see experience is putting consumption at the late 20's and would be interested to now if this is predominantly in D mode and the type of journeys being taken.

Agree with the comments about not buying a QV for consumption BUT when it costs you £90 for a fill (in the 159) and I barely get 400 miles from the 70ltr tank believe me it does affect your thinking.

Years ago you were told not to boot it for the first 1000 miles to let everything bed in. Modern engines are supposed to be better and therefore not too much of a problem, however it's probably best not to boot from cold.

Let the engine warm up fully before engaging the loud pedal - I think there's something in the manual about it. Not recommended for short around town journeys.