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Hi,

Looking at getting back in the saddle after a few years away and am looking at Giulietta 2.0 JTDM Veloce's. I am tied between getting a lower spec Giulietta with lower mileage of 40-50k or a higher spec Giulietta with higher mileage of 80-90k.

My question is, considering cam belt has been changed on most 80-90k cars, which should I go for if they all have FSH and are in excellent condition? What sort of miles can you get out of one of these with regular services? I am looking at keeping this car for 5 years before changing, my annual mileage is about 14k.

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Well at 80-90k miles you're really due another cam belt change in another 30k so thats a big service after the first 2 years of ownership.

The cam belt on most Gs is changed ever 50-60k or 4 years and the water pump should be changed at the same time.

Might be selling my 61 plate 64k mile 2.0 140 JTDM Veloce w/ visibility pack soon, cam changed 4k miles ago, immaculately serviced and maintained, if youre interested ;)
 

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Thanks. I thought cam belts were due at 84k? When again would it need changing after this in miles or years?

Is your car white?
 

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I would buy on mileage and condition rather than Lusso/Veloce spec if the price is the same.

It is easy to upgrade the Lusso to have Veloce bits if you desire but you cant make a high miler low miles again.
 

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Thanks. I thought cam belts were due at 84k? When again would it need changing after this in miles or years?

Is your car white?
You could extend to 84k/5 years but I doubt anyone on here would recommend that, so most of us get it done at the 4 year/64k service, you also need to check that when the cam was changed the water pump was changed too, something thats often over looked.

To top that off ideally you also want to find a car thats had the oil and filter changed every 12 months, owners who have left their oil in for 2 years probably havent been doing their cars any favours.

Yes my cars white.
 

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Thanks, apart from service history, anything else to look out for on a Giulietta? How long between cam belt changes as this seems to be the most expensive service?
 

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Thanks, apart from service history, anything else to look out for on a Giulietta? How long between cam belt changes as this seems to be the most expensive service?
A cam, aux and water pump service will set you back at least £450, probably £500 at most garages. £1000+ at a main dealer.

There are lots of threads about common G issues to look at, the main ones being dash rattles, wiring loom going into the boot breaking through use of the boot and gear changes between 1st and 2nd sometimes sticking but this is something most drivers learn to live with and isnt necessarily a fault per say. But servicing wise i think most of its been mentioned already in this thread.

To recap

Cam replacement every 4 years w/ water pump replacement, anything above that is considered a risk most owners wont be willing to take.
Oil and filter change every 12 months ideal, shows the cars been well looked after
Serviced every 2 years as a minimum

Those are all signs of an owner whos clearly taken good care of his car, and if he has looked after it the mileage on the JTDM engines shouldnt matter as they'll be as strong as they were the day they left the factory :)
 

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Another weak spot of the JTDm engines is the EGR cooler cover.

It usually cracks and leaks coolant. If you are lucky it will be a small leak, if you get a big leak and you don't spot it you can end up with a cooked engine.

Mine failed just after I bought the car, at 4.5 years old. If any car you are looking at hasn't had it changed to the later uprated part then budget for it.

It is a pretty big job, although the part only costs about £50 or so plus some coolant. I reckon you would be looking at £200-300 at an independent garage to get it fixed. Luckily mine went whilst I still had some warranty.

I might be wrong but it seems more of a case of when it fails rather than if unlike other Giulietta faults.

The 140 JTDm has a bit more pull at the bottom of the rev range but runs out of steam quite early. The 170 is a bit slower at the lower end of the rev range but pulls right up to the rev limiter due to having a bigger turbo and less restrictive inlet.

They are both similar on fuel in the real world, but the 140 is cheaper to tax and insure.
 

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The egr cooler on the jtdm ;


" It usually cracks and leaks coolant. If you are lucky it will be a small leak, if you get a big leak and you don't spot it you can end up with a cooked engine.

Mine failed just after I bought the car, at 4.5 years old. If any car you are looking at hasn't had it changed to the later uprated part then budget for it.

It is a pretty big job, although the part only costs about £50 or so plus some coolant. I reckon you would be looking at £200-300 at an independent garage to get it fixed. Luckily mine went whilst I still had some warranty.

I might be wrong but it seems more of a case of when it fails rather than if unlike other Giulietta faults."

And people still go on about Multiair issues which were pretty much sorted on the Mito by the time the Giulietta came along !
 

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You should be able to get the EGR cooler cover fixed at most garages.

The 2.0 Diesel Vauxhall engines (which is similar to the 2.0 JTDM-2) suffers the same issue.
 

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I bought mine (140 jtdm) at 3.5 yr old and 88k on the clock. Ex-lease and main dealer serviced every 20k, yet the dealer hadn't changed the cambelt! I got the garage to do it before I bought it only to find out months later that the water pump hadn't been changed because it wasn't specified in the service schedule. Ended up having to pay again to have the cambelt & pump changed by a trustworthy garage. Good job I did as the pump had play in it and the belt was a tooth out. Make sure you get evidence of what's been changed. 18 months on and all I've had fail is a wheel bearing. As for lower spec. I think the lusso has a few extra goodies that the veloce didn't have as standard. Turismo looks far too basic for my liking whateverthe mileage. My EGR cooler seems fine so hope I haven't just jinxed it!
 

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It is also worth bearing in mind that whichever version you get Turismo/Lusso/Veloce that they are all supposed to be mechanically identical.

However I have noticed that with some engines the Lusso sits higher than the Veloce versions despite them supposedly having the same suspension. I personally think that the springs are different but the EPER doesn't show it.

Not so good for the looks, but great if you live near speed humps.

My one looked especially high for some reason, so I fitted a set of Eibach Springs.
 

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No sure I know where all this "change belt at 4 years and make sure you change the water pump too." comes from ?

Been on this Forum a couple of years now and don't recollect a single incident of early belt failure or pump failure (other than rather ironically on a newly fitted one). In fact most DIY owners have commented the old belt is in excellent condition when removed.

My Alfa specialist clearly stated to me that they don't believe in changing parts unless they think they need changing (i.e the pump shows signs of wear).

I don't have a problem with that.
 

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only the 2.0 shares front springs between veloce and lusso. not the petrols and not the 1.6.
I don't think it does, my car was considerably higher at the front compared to Veloce models I have seen.

And I don't care if the EPER or whatever says they are the same. :evil:
 

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I find veloce 2.0 are higher in the back, that could confuscate things?

I fitted QV springs in the back with the veloce rubber top mounts (thinner than QV PU mounts) and now the car sits level.
 

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Not sure whether it is an illusion or not.

My car was slightly nose up before I lowered it, it also looked like an SUV.
 

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the lusso rears are a lot softer than the veloce, I suspect they could even sag a little?

Mine's a tct so a good 30kg heavier upfront aswell.

the qv are a LOT stiffer than the veloce springs, but shorter aswell (a good 2 inches without load) so when mounted they end up a cm lower than the veloces
 
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