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This afternoon, I went to Squadra Tuning in Nunspeet, Holland.
This firm is famous for years now, delivering faultless software for Alfa.
He also provides tuning software for Abarth, Jeep, Fiat, Lancia and Maserati.

I think he is the first software specialist, that was able to "open" the software of the petrol Giulia with Magneti Marelli ECU.
Just a few weeks after opening the software, he already presented the 280HP version.

This afternoon i arrived at his firm and I was able to see what was happening, how the communication was set up and what had to be done to get things loaded and stored.
Squadra chose to put the 280hp Veloce software, under the "D" setting of the DNA switch.
That means that the car behaves like a factory one, if "N", or "A" is chosen.

One nice bonus of this choice: During acceleration you can actual feel the extra power, by changing from N to D!
The extra power can be noticed from 2000 rpm upwards very well.
On the highway for example, it's really impressive, experiencing the car gaining speed at full throttle.
The Giulia is a seriously fast car now!
And all of this is done with a lot of ease, no hassle, no stress, almost effortless.
In fact, i think the "280HP RWD solution" will make it quite difficult for a factory Veloce, to keep up! (Veloce has to cope with an extra 100kg weight and extra drive line losses)

We talked about one other issue; top speed.
In the 200HP map, a speedlimiter is integrated at 235km/h.
In the 280Hp Veloce map, it is set at 240km/h.
According to Squadra, a RWD 280HP Giulia, should be able to get at ca. 265km/h. (Giulia has great aerodynamics!)
He is looking for this "speed limiter line" in the software in the near future and hopes to be able to call me soon for a small update; deleting this limiter. (However, top speed is no issue for me to be honest)

Still, it's a little strange Alfa chose to set the limiter at 240km/h, while the German competitors all have a 250km/h setting.

For now; Great service, great results and in my opinion it's a nice choice making the extra power available in Dynamic mode only.

For those of you who want even more; a 300HP plus software version is on its way.
In fact, Squadra believes it will be possible to get very close to 350HP!
 

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Great to know you are loving it! Something for the future here I guess. I looked at the ECU last night and although the sticker is right at the bottom , I thought I just about read Magneti marelli, which made me wonder why other posts mentioned the ECU was BOSCH MED17. This might explain why I had trouble on the dyno. Would you be able get details of what the ECU actually is from them? If you don't mind me asking how much did the upgrade cost you?
 
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It is a Magneti Marelli for sure, NOT Bosch. (Diesel=Bosch)
590,- euros.

Just add 590 euro's to the price of a Giulia 2.0 petrol.........then realize that you get a 280HP, brand new Italian beauty from Alfa Romeo with a built quality unknown to the marque till now...............it's a bargain!!!!
 

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Yes if you can settle with less sporty seats and diffusers, its pretty much the same car with the right options. I get comments on mine from pretty much everyone who comes into my office when they have seen mine in the office car park. How did you manage with warranty in a new car with this aftermarket upgrade?
 

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Yes if you can settle with less sporty seats and diffusers, its pretty much the same car with the right options. I get comments on mine from pretty much everyone who comes into my office when they have seen mine in the office car park. How did you manage with warranty in a new car with this aftermarket upgrade?
Please!!!,

not everyone can afford a Q, and lots of people enjoy the thrill of upgrading what they have.

Personally I have a 159 which is upgraded, its not the fastest or most comfortable 159 in the world and I wont be able to afford a Giulia until they are a minimum 3 years old but I wouldn't try to belittle anyone elses 159 as I understand that what suits me might not suit anyone else for a large number of reasons.

FFS you have an Alfa badge on your bonnet and boot that makes me smile every time I park up/walk back to my car, If the OP had a BMW/MERC/AUDI I would understand your condersention.

If you feel the need to run someone down because they spent a lot of money upgrading their new car and in your opinion it's not as good as your stock car then good for you.

If your warranty is that important to you then you clearly don't understand what modifying cars is about.

To the OP, Brilliant, I love posts like this. sounds like you have one hell of a car when you choose, and the stock car when you feel like it.

In a few years when I can afford a Giulia (hopefully) it's posts like your that will be the most use to me.

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It is a Magneti Marelli for sure, NOT Bosch. (Diesel=Bosch)
590,- euros.

Just add 590 euro's to the price of a Giulia 2.0 petrol.........then realize that you get a 280HP, brand new Italian beauty from Alfa Romeo with a built quality unknown to the marque till now...............it's a bargain!!!!
Having the upgrade mapped onto the D driving mode sounds like a great idea. An extra 80hp is clearly going to make a big difference to how the car drives. Would be great to get your views on fuel economy on the 280 map relative to the 200 map when you get a chance. It's a lot of extra poke for not a lot of extra money.
 

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Warranty; talked about it with the dealer in an open way.
As all Dutch dealers know about the reputation of Squadra, there is no doubt about quality and respect to mechanical margins.
So, warranty worries are not an issue here.
 

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Yes if you can settle with less sporty seats and diffusers, its pretty much the same car with the right options. I get comments on mine from pretty much everyone who comes into my office when they have seen mine in the office car park. How did you manage with warranty in a new car with this aftermarket upgrade?
I think it depends on whether the upgrade is an ECU clone that would replace the factory one or they upgrade the factory ECU. If you get a clone, warranty shouldn't be an issue as you can swap it back with the factory ECU before taking it to the dealer for service.
 

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Please!!!,

not everyone can afford a Q, and lots of people enjoy the thrill of upgrading what they have.

Personally I have a 159 which is upgraded, its not the fastest or most comfortable 159 in the world and I wont be able to afford a Giulia until they are a minimum 3 years old but I wouldn't try to belittle anyone elses 159 as I understand that what suits me might not suit anyone else for a large number of reasons.

FFS you have an Alfa badge on your bonnet and boot that makes me smile every time I park up/walk back to my car, If the OP had a BMW/MERC/AUDI I would understand your condersention.

If you feel the need to run someone down because they spent a lot of money upgrading their new car and in your opinion it's not as good as your stock car then good for you.

If your warranty is that important to you then you clearly don't understand what modifying cars is about.

To the OP, Brilliant, I love posts like this. sounds like you have one hell of a car when you choose, and the stock car when you feel like it.

In a few years when I can afford a Giulia (hopefully) it's posts like your that will be the most use to me.

:)

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Hi Axe, I didn't get your response or why you went in to bit of a rage! Perhaps you didn't understand my post. I am one of the people on here who has been following rangeboom's mods and upgrades avidly mainly because I wish to upgrade my super 2.0 as well later into ownership. I have also been researching dyno testing the Giulia and aftermarket upgrades in the pipeline by Autolusso. If you have read my other threads on the Giulia forum, and I suggest in the most polite way you do so before thinking about what you have posted and if it is a valid response to my post. Question about warranty is purely out of interest as so how it works with Dutch dealers. I have first hand experience with UK dealers and remaps on my previous much loved car, which in fact was a 159 that I owned and maintained myself for 10 years. I cant afford a Q either, I really wanted the Veloce but could not/ did not want to wait. The Giulia is the first new car I have ever bought in 20 years of driving and I had to work hard for it. This is the first time I have been quite badly shot down, quite unnecessarily, in the 10 years I have been on this forum.

I don't need to be reminded about the Alfa badge on my standard car, I see it everyday and it is a thrill always, same as my modified 159 was.

So, in short, you posted an unnecessary response to my post IMHO and I have hopefully provided some direction and clarity. Let us get this thread discussion back to OP's
awesome upgrade.

All the best!
 

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That's something, buying a brand new car for the first time in 20 years!
And of all cars.....an Alfa!
You must have bought the car with your heart, just as I did.

A lot of cars came along lately, most of them seemed to be the more rational choice, but i did not end up ordering one.
Then the Giulia came along.....skip ratio.....this is what I wanted al the time!!

Now, just let's enjoy our common passion and not misunderstand each other instead.
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That's something, buying a brand new car for the first time in 20 years!
And of all cars.....an Alfa!
You must have bought the car with your heart, just as I did.

A lot of cars came along lately, most of them seemed to be the more rational choice, but i did not end up ordering one.
Then the Giulia came along.....skip ratio.....this is what I wanted al the time!!

Now, just let's enjoy our common passion and not misunderstand each other instead.
:glasses:
Agree. When you put it like that, the only new car in 20 years that too an Alfa! He..he. I tried every make but like you once I saw and drove the Giulia I had made my mind up instantly. It was both a heart and mind decision for once as the Giulia was equal if not better than the rivals in many aspects. And yea, who doesn't love the name "Alfa Romeo". ?.

Once you have given it time, can you please post before and after upgrade figures on the fuel consumption in D mode ? Thanks.
 

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According to Squadra, a RWD 280HP Giulia, should be able to get at ca. 265km/h. (Giulia has great aerodynamics!)
He is looking for this "speed limiter line" in the software in the near future and hopes to be able to call me soon for a small update; deleting this limiter. (However, top speed is no issue for me to be honest)
I think it's a rpm limiter. I have seen ZF 8HP specs one time and some gears have relatively low rpm limits. It seems that Alfa included them. I do not know how other users of ZF 8HP are doing things.
 

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That's something, buying a brand new car for the first time in 20 years!
And of all cars.....an Alfa!
You must have bought the car with your heart, just as I did.

A lot of cars came along lately, most of them seemed to be the more rational choice, but i did not end up ordering one.
Then the Giulia came along.....skip ratio.....this is what I wanted al the time!!

Now, just let's enjoy our common passion and not misunderstand each other instead.
:glasses:
On that subject, apart from company cars, my Giulia is the first new car I have ever had, yep and I'm running out of years when I'll have the money, so it makes it that much more special.

I chose, speced and bought the Giulia, and the first time I ever drove one was mine, brand new out of the dealers. I didnt need a test drive, it was an Alfa Romeo, its perfect!
 

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Regarding the question about mpg:

Did some tests this weekend.
On the highway, constant speed, cruise ON, it does not matter if the DNA switch is in A, N or A.
Mpg all the same.
But as soon as you switch to D, in automatic mode, a completely different gear selection strategy is chosen.
This has a huge influence on the mpg of course, as soon as you stop driving at constant speeds.
You could override this, by using manual shift and shift up as soon as possible.
But what's the gain then?
The extra power comes available at higher rpms, so the only way to experience that, is by seeking higher rpms, what the gearbox is doing in D mode.
Again, you could leave the switch in D and overrule the gearbox by choosing early manual shifts.
But I am afraid, you will not be able to hold yourself for very long:rofl:
 

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The extra power comes available at higher rpms, so the only way to experience that, is by seeking higher rpms, what the gearbox is doing in D mode.
Again, you could leave the switch in D and overrule the gearbox by choosing early manual shifts.
But I am afraid, you will not be able to hold yourself for very long:rofl:
For what it's worth, the torque curve for the 276BHP petrol, is surprisingly flat - see attachment, pardon the quality.

Does anyone have the curve for the 197BHP map? I wouldn't be surprised if you're right, and the 197BHP map just tapers off the torque a bit sooner. It feels like so much more than 197.
 

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..so basically the 2.0 turbo engine is a 276hp engine that has been restricted to 200hp for the entry level version..?

The 24v V6 engines in the old 164 seemed to have a similar strategy.. the engine was 230hp in it's natural form in the cloverleaf, but restricted to 210hp in the Super version by means of narrower intake runners..
 

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For what it's worth, the torque curve for the 276BHP petrol, is surprisingly flat - see attachment, pardon the quality.

Does anyone have the curve for the 197BHP map? I wouldn't be surprised if you're right, and the 197BHP map just tapers off the torque a bit sooner. It feels like so much more than 197.
I think some of that is down to the fact the car is light. I say light, roughly a Giulia with 4 adults in is about the same weight as an empty 159 isnt it? (4 adults at 75kg each)
 
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