Alfa Romeo Forum banner

1 - 15 of 15 Posts

·
Registered
Joined
·
129 Posts
Discussion Starter #1
Can anyone share any recommendations for someone to do a full bare metal respray? Last time I looked around (1 year ago) I was quoted the following:

The paint shop pros - £5-£7k
Sandown coachworks - £6k + labour for bare metal strip back
Ian Ellis - £10k

All prices are plus VAT.

Firstly, has anyone got any experience of the costs, secondly does anyone have any recommendations in Surrey/Hampshire/Sussex/London?

I know Ian is an Alfa specialist, but £10k (£12k inc VAT) is just out of my range.
 

·
Premium Member
Joined
·
2,479 Posts
If your car doesn't need loads of metalwork & welding (ie starting with a basket case) I would say all of those figures are way over the odds. 3-4K should be more like it surely?
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
750 Posts
It depends so much on what is and isn't included!

Some people will be meticulous about documenting what fastener goes where and doing trial fits in primer/steel stages, others may just media (or immersion) strip, prime, block it back and blow the paint on, then reassemble with panel/door shims out of a Wurth kit or similar and say "There ya go!".

A true bare metal repaint is a mammoth job, and once you've committed you need to keep pushing or it will all go awry. The people with good project management skills will be dearer but actually save you grief overall.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,478 Posts
A couple of years ago, I was pondering buying an old Triumph Herald. It was single colour that I was planning to change to a two-tone.

I was prepared to do all the prep work (I love bodywork) and they quoted me IIRC around 2k.

However, it's what they/you might find once it's stripped back, and what paint is used (water based, two-pack etc etc). If there's any areas that need welding/replacement panels that will add to the costs. It'll boil down to the condition of the overall bodywork.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
129 Posts
Discussion Starter #5
All of the figures I was quoted were before any additional work, e.g. if any welding or repairs needed doing they would cost more. On forums I regularly see people saying similar amounts to those you are quoting Swallow, but in practice I can't find anyone whose prices look anything like that. I also worry about taking it to someone who doesn't know Alfa's, already know most of the rubber is put in incorrectly and I have been told that refitting the wind screen on the 105 is very difficult. I also understand that some places just tape over stuff (much less work) rather than disassemble and therefore the paint is likely to lift after a few years. I had another quote that I didn't include for around £6k, but it was from the guy who did the engine rebuild and I wouldn't want to give him any airtime!
Has anyone actually had it done (any part of the country?) and can tell me what they paid and how it broke down?
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,099 Posts
Thats the figure I had in mind as I need my spider painted. It all depends on your starting point? if its not a restoration and your confident that no metal work is required it would be a case of stripping the car down i.e. removing bumpers, glass etc.. It would take the body shop no more than a week to get it back to bare metal (by hand), then a week to paint. If you were sending it off for dipping that costs on average £1000! Ive just had some quotes!

I could recommend Stallion motors in Nottingham as they repaint/restore classic ferrari's and they said it would be no more than 4k for a full bare metal job.. subject to above.

Veloce spares in Lincoln out source there paint work.. so you could save money going direct to a painter who specialise on classic alfa's...

If you find some where up North on recommendation you could always have the car transported.

Oh.. if the windscreen on the coupe is similar to the spider its one of the easiest screens that I have changed.


If your car doesn't need loads of metalwork & welding (ie starting with a basket case) I would say all of those figures are way over the odds. 3-4K should be more like it surely?
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
129 Posts
Discussion Starter #7
Thats the figure I had in mind as I need my spider painted. It all depends on your starting point? if its not a restoration and your confident that no metal work is required it would be a case of stripping the car down i.e. removing bumpers, glass etc.. It would take the body shop no more than a week to get it back to bare metal (by hand), then a week to paint. If you were sending it off for dipping that costs on average £1000! Ive just had some quotes!

I could recommend Stallion motors in Nottingham as they repaint/restore classic ferrari's and they said it would be no more than 4k for a full bare metal job.. subject to above.

Veloce spares in Lincoln out source there paint work.. so you could save money going direct to a painter who specialise on classic alfa's...

If you find some where up North on recommendation you could always have the car transported.

Oh.. if the windscreen on the coupe is similar to the spider its one of the easiest screens that I have changed.
Thanks Roony, hadn't considered the transportation up North, but if the cost is half that down south then the £500 it will cost is worth it. I'll have a look at Stallion, when you say you could recommend, have you had direct experience, or is this just a reflection of the quote they gave you?
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,099 Posts
He has painted lots of ferraris for the main dealers and local restorers who are well known! He has also painted my own cars over the years. My 328 is going in soon..

Also worth calling XK Engineering in coventry, they specialise in jags but are very good with all classics.. their paint work is excellent and come recommended.

My advice is to find out who the dealers/restores out source their work too.. then go direct!

Thanks Roony, hadn't considered the transportation up North, but if the cost is half that down south then the £500 it will cost is worth it. I'll have a look at Stallion, when you say you could recommend, have you had direct experience, or is this just a reflection of the quote they gave you?
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
129 Posts
Discussion Starter #10
Thanks again Roony, will definitely speak to them both. Duemila, I believe so, I had a guy doing smart repair on my other car this week and in asking him he said due to the layers of paint and blistering it would probably be a waste of money if I didn't take it right back (by the way he wasn't soliciting for work, so thought it was a reasonable comment). I have just found a place only half a mile from me that does Bare metal resprays (been there 32 years, but I never knew of them!), I will take it to them and ask a similar question before they quote a price. Anyway, will let you all know what the outcome is and thanks for the feedback.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,099 Posts
There are hidden companies that will do a good job at a fair price.. its just finding them! Good luck..


Thanks again Roony, will definitely speak to them both. Duemila, I believe so, I had a guy doing smart repair on my other car this week and in asking him he said due to the layers of paint and blistering it would probably be a waste of money if I didn't take it right back (by the way he wasn't soliciting for work, so thought it was a reasonable comment). I have just found a place only half a mile from me that does Bare metal resprays (been there 32 years, but I never knew of them!), I will take it to them and ask a similar question before they quote a price. Anyway, will let you all know what the outcome is and thanks for the feedback.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
2,261 Posts
The chap who's done restoration and paint on both my Alfa's is painting my VW T2 Camper next month for £2k. Not a bare metal job as it doesn't need it but that will include some welding and plenty of prep.

Definitely shop around.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
55 Posts
Its a bit of a how longs a piece of string question, particularly with Alfa bodywork and what you find underneath the glossy exterior.
My car, 74 2000 GTV, so pretty much as yours, was done bare metal, lot of new panels, sills and so on replaced, about 5 years ago, so a major job. This is before I bought the car and I would say its a good, but not excellent job. It cost then around £11000......
Does it have to be bare metal? You really cannot tell until the car is stripped, and then its a matter of how well and how far you want it properly done, so I would say its almost impossible for anyone to give a really meaningful quote, UNLESS you say you just want it rubbed down and blown over to look nice.
If I can remember how to attach some photos, or send me a pm, then I can show you what the car was stripped down to.
 

·
Premium Member
Joined
·
2,479 Posts
I have spoken to a few outfits about paint recently and one thing that came up was choice of paint. Obviously our cars were cellulose back in the day, rather than colour followed by clear. Some painters have talked to me about "solid colour" where the car is sprayed in colour that is mixed with something else to give it strength but no need for a clear coat on top..

Anyone have any experience of this?
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
377 Posts
I have spoken to a few outfits about paint recently and one thing that came up was choice of paint. Obviously our cars were cellulose back in the day, rather than colour followed by clear. Some painters have talked to me about "solid colour" where the car is sprayed in colour that is mixed with something else to give it strength but no need for a clear coat on top..

Anyone have any experience of this?
Yes, lots of cars in the 80's were painted from new in acrylic. My 911 RS Rep was originally a late SC, built in '82. It was Grand Prix white and in acrylic. At that time, looks like Porsche only laquered their metallic cars.
I have has several cars including an almost full repaint on that 911 in 2009 painted in acrylic, as I don't much care for two pack. I have found it to be good in chip and scratch resistance too.

Steve
 
1 - 15 of 15 Posts
Top