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I have just replaced the front tyres at 63,400 miles which is 25,400 from when they were fitted. While the treads were not completely down to the legal limit I am going to Europe next week and didn't fancy buying replacements in Austria. However when checking the treads I had found that the nearside was 2.5mm at the outside steadily increasing to about 4.5mm on the inside. Similarly the offside was 3-3.5mm increasing to about 5mm. While 25K is not bad I got 38K out of the original tyres and don't remember this sort of wear pattern. Both sets were Continental Premium Contact (originals 2 and replacements 5).

The tyre fitters did a check on the alignment (front only) and said everything was OK. They do not have the facility for a 4 wheel check and said that such a check could be expensive.

I would be interested in members comments as to whether this is normal wear and if not should I be getting a 4 wheel alignment check whatever the cost when I return from holiday? :scratchchin:
 

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I agree that 25K is a good mileage but if the wear had been spread more evenly they would have done even more.

ATS Euromaster want £65 for four wheel alignment. The only Hunter agent locally listed by www.alignmycar.co.uk is the Toyota dealer and their website makes no mention of doing any other make so I will need to contact them after the holiday.
 

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Could be down to a few factors, tracking going out of alignmnent, the tyres themselves or suspension wear.

Only getting 25k from a pair of front tyres is a nice problem to have.
 

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I am not complaining about 25k merely concerned that if a problem with tracking or the suspension has developed recently then the replacements are not going to last for anything like 25k. What makes me concerned that this might be the case is that the original tyres lasted 38k on the front which I found remarkable at the time.
 

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I think it is a good idea to get the tracking checked whenever you get new tyres. With the state of the roads and the number of those awful pyramid humps it is quite likely to go out over that sort of mileage.
 

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The only place I found that can do full 4 wheel tracking on an Alfa was an Alfa dealer and even then they didn't do the tracking themselves they got a specialist in but he used the unique Alfa tool that the dealer had to do the adjustment on the rear . Any way it's done £85 which is very reasonable for four wheel alignment I thought.
 

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The only place I found that can do full 4 wheel tracking on an Alfa was an Alfa dealer and even then they didn't do the tracking themselves they got a specialist in but he used the unique Alfa tool that the dealer had to do the adjustment on the rear . Any way it's done £85 which is very reasonable for four wheel alignment I thought.
Antf I see you are in Scunny and so am I so which dealer did you use? When the car was in Warranty I went to Piccadilly near Harrogate but I haven't been there for a while. Anyway it will have to wait until I get back from Europe, the car handles perfectly okay so there cannot be a major out of alignment
 

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I used the same, Piccadilly motors in knaresborough , they did the first three services on mine and I some warranty work when it was new they're always friendly and helpful and I've ordered some parts from them that were cheaper than any where else . You'll need to book your G in and be sure to say you want 4 wheel alignment, they arranged things with the specialist while I was on the phone . I put four new tyres on and while the front tracking was within tolerance the back was quite a bit out and it's the back that , ATS , ,Bush and the like will tell you on the fone they can do and when you get there they tell you they can't . Anyway have a good holiday and don't worry about it , I didn't get mine sorted for a month and 2k miles after having the tyres fitted due to work and they were fine.
 

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Incredible mileage from Pirelli P7s (with good alignment)

I've just had 4 new tyres fitted by ProTyre who also provided a free 4 wheel alignment check (but may not apply to all branches)

My G has only had 2 new tyres in it's 7 year life (annoying fitted by previous owner, who had failed to swap tyres to maintain even wear, which meant the 4 x P7s were no longer perfectly matched). I've done 28k since buying the car and have managed near perfect even wear which meant today I was able to fit 4 new Goodyears. Keeping a tyre for over 5 years is I think pushing it a little and it was more the case of noticing bits of rubber coming off one of the fronts plus a low speed steering wobble that made my mind up pretty quickly!

That means though that one pair replaced today had achieved an astonishing 78590 over a period approaching 7 years (and even then it was more the age that killed it than the mileage) :eek:
 

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I've read somewhere - maybe on here - that some people reckon that the Sport Contact 5 doesn't wear as well as the 2. This may have something to do with the reduced wear. Also some tyres are Alfa specific - I know that the Bridgestone Turanza T001s in 225/45/17 are, and some of the P7s are K spec (better balanced) too, so trying to match existing tyres can be even more difficult than you might imagine.
 

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I have found the tyres on my G wear slightly more towards the inner edge. Not massively, just enough to notice.

it is probably down to camber and the fact the inner edge of the tyre scrubs slightly on roundabouts.


You folks who get mega mileage on your tyres, did they actually have any grip?

Normally tyres which are very hard wearing struggle, especially in the wet.
 

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The two front tyres I replaced were worn slightly more in the inside edge and had I run them until them to the wear bar that edge would have been silky smooth. I have no idea how many miles they had covered as they were on when I got it in April and I did 5k on them. The main reason for me changing them was I had two different makes of tyre and tread patterns on the back and on the front they were asymmetric (which I don't like) and the outer wall looked as though it had been scuffed along something repeatedly without damaging the wheel . Anyway after letting it niggle me awhile I took a trip to my local kwik fit who thought it looked as though it had been run flat . That was all I needed , 4 new tyres please . The scary bit is when they put the wheel on the jig to break the seal and lever the tyre off the lever went straight through the wall .
 

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You folks who get mega mileage on your tyres, did they actually have any grip? Normally tyres which are very hard wearing struggle, especially in the wet.
Its difficult to judge the grip of tyres unless you change them frequently. A lot of the time we tend to compare a worn tyre nearing the end of its life with another with full tread. let alone on the same car.

Once you have a set of tyres on your vehicle you learn their limits and tend to drive within them, good or bad.
 

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You folks who get mega mileage on your tyres, did they actually have any grip?

Normally tyres which are very hard wearing struggle, especially in the wet.
Good point Simon!

Personally I've never really trusted Pirelli's in the wet and have always taken it easy - and thus when caught out have found it easy to control.

Had an incident earlier in the year which nearly scared the **** out of me though. Was driving down to Devon in the early hours, it was dry, and I was having a bit of fun on the curves. There's one fast corner that tightens (if going westwards) but whilst I was totally confident in the capabilities of the G, I shouldn't have been. The front broke away so quickly, and without warning, that I thought at one moment I'd hit the crash barrier on the other side of the road. I regained control but only after having gone one meter into oncoming traffic (fortunately at 6 am there wasn't any). :eek:

I guess the moral of that story is if your tyres get to being 5 years old, then either change them or drive a lot slower. From another context I suppose it demonstrates the importance of maintaining balanced tyre wear. I reckon the previous owner left the original pair on the rear for an entire 50k miles but had he swapped them to the front a few times then they'd obviously have worn quicker - and would never have got to being nearly 7 years old

I take your point that the rubber gets very hard but I wouldn't say the grip in general is degraded - just very unpredictable. I did notice the handling was starting to feel a bit strange so took the two front off for inspection and got quite a shock when I noticed whole bits of rubber seemed to be peeling off one of them (much as you see on FI tyres which have got a bit shredded),

Anyway liking the Goodyears :drink:
 

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Good point Simon!

Personally I've never really trusted Pirelli's in the wet and have always taken it easy - and thus when caught out have found it easy to control.

Had an incident earlier in the year which nearly scared the **** out of me though. Was driving down to Devon in the early hours, it was dry, and I was having a bit of fun on the curves. There's one fast corner that tightens (if going westwards) but whilst I was totally confident in the capabilities of the G, I shouldn't have been. The front broke away so quickly, and without warning, that I thought at one moment I'd hit the crash barrier on the other side of the road. I regained control but only after having gone one meter into oncoming traffic (fortunately at 6 am there wasn't any). :eek:

I guess the moral of that story is if your tyres get to being 5 years old, then either change them or drive a lot slower. From another context I suppose it demonstrates the importance of maintaining balanced tyre wear. I reckon the previous owner left the original pair on the rear for an entire 50k miles but had he swapped them to the front a few times then they'd obviously have worn quicker - and would never have got to being nearly 7 years old

I take your point that the rubber gets very hard but I wouldn't say the grip in general is degraded - just very unpredictable. I did notice the handling was starting to feel a bit strange so took the two front off for inspection and got quite a shock when I noticed whole bits of rubber seemed to be peeling off one of them (much as you see on FI tyres which have got a bit shredded),

Anyway liking the Goodyears :drink:
A couple of my scariest driving moments were on Pirelli's.

once on the infamous P6000 and secondly on the P7's

Both in the wet. The p6000 caught me out with very bad understeer which almost put me into a hedge, the P7s nearly had me facing the wrong way in my 2nd 156 V6. I was younger at the time so I may have been going too fast, but apart from Avons and Wanli's I have never had any tyre related scares otherwise.

I haven't rated Pirelli tyres ever since in terms of grip, and I am happy to sacrifice some wear for a greater safety margin even though I drive more steadily nowadays.
 

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So back from holiday and done a bit of research. I found a specialist at Pontefract BRAM RACING MOTORSPORT who, when I contacted them, confirmed that a specialist tool is specified but that the opinion of the Hunter technician (who happened to be there calibrating the machine) is that it is not essential just makes the job easier. Anyway they are prepared to give it a go and the car is booked in tomorrow. They seem to get very good reviews (I could not see a poor one) so I am hoping for the best. At least it is only about 85 miles round trip compared with 130 miles for Piccadilly at Knaresborough.
 
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