Kev
Spax still done some for my sud but now you have to buy them as a shock and lowered spring pack for approx £395.
They were't the right ones but I ended up sending them the complete strut and they made them up for no extra.
If they don't stock 33's maybe they will offer this service??

Cheers
Harvey

 

no use mate i'm afraid. i'm going to be using 2.25" coilover type springs, much much stiffer than any lowering spring kit

koni insert kit part no 86-2448sport, these are stated as to suit boge-federbeine manufactured strut and are yellow inserts. I work for a scottish motor factor and i think Camberley Auto Factors are Koni agents, however, they may be a motor trade only supplier.
Hope thats of some help to you, im assuming you're in england of course..

yes, they are ones i've been pointed to but at about £150 each plus the bits & bobs i need to buy no do the coilover conversions then the numbers don't stack up against just letting GAZ do the work.

be nice if someone had a souce that got them a lot cheaper....or decent used ones...

 

koni insert kit part no 86-2448sport, these are stated as to suit boge-federbeine manufactured strut and are yellow inserts. I work for a scottish motor factor and i think Camberley Auto Factors are Koni agents, however, they may be a motor trade only supplier.
Hope thats of some help to you, im assuming you're in england of course..

 

could you make Sud Konis fit into 33 legs ? - I've a pair of Sud ones.
John.

 

can't see why not john. think the casings are the same diameter, around 40mm I.D.?

they the ones with the lug on the bottom to allow the insert to be bolted from underneath?

in good enough order for my track car?

pm me a price please mate :thumbs:

 

Do you mind saying how much GAZ wanted and what they were going to do Kev?

rsfruitbat

 

still tempted by the quote they gave mate, quite interesting..

will email you the details, thought about letting you know incase you wanted to get yours done too....

 

Thanks Kev.

Got the e-mail.

Just need to get my car sorted now and I will be able to see how badly damaged the funds are

Another company who I have heard will do something similar is AVO. Might be worth contacting them?

Many thanks rsfruitbat

 

Ideally we should be looking for inserts for lowered springs !

Kev, have you tried INTRAX mate ? I know you might need to see the Sud in order to buy their suspension kit, but maybe they do inserts as well ?

 

mate, the lowered springs like fitted to standard struts are way WAY too soft.
complete waste of time using them on track

know rodger used intrax, very good quality but at a cost. which i can't do

the GAZ offer is great, for what they would do. struts ready to bolt on the car for under £600 but again, money is tight

 

I got a quote from Intrax to a AR 33: Alfa Romeo shocks product overview - Intrax Racing

ALF5522-RSA 33 Full race 1983 - 1994 € 2.250,00
RSA, height and damping adjustable

ALF5522-1K2 33 Full race 1983 - 1994 € 2.800,00
1K2, height and damping adjustable

Options
ARC:
RSA and 1K2 intern complete set € 1.000,00

Black Titan:
RSA and 1K2 intern complete set € 400,00

 

what are the black titan ones?

can't get anything but dutch language on that bit, even when i do click on the uk language tab

 

just google translated the black titan bit, seems like it's E400 for a coating on the internals of the shocks :wow:

 

Strutts



Hi Kev,

What. struts/hubs/driveshafts are you using at the moment.

see link, to ad below, i have the complete running gear including rear.

ALFA SPRINT PRODUCTION MODIFIED RACE CAR - £3,750.00 : Motorsport-Sales.com (UK), Race and Rally Cars, Motorsport Parts and Spares for Sale

Open to sensible offers.

Liam

 

hi liam.

i have all the stuff from the 16V 33 at the front, sprint axle at the rear.

would be interested to know what front legs you have, guessing they have been converted to 2.25" springs already if running faulkners springs?

rears at the moment i'm not too sure what to do with. some koni type shocks would be handy i guess, the springs on at the moment are class F or C ones but my shocks are standard road ones. have got a plan for that end though if needs be.

can you let me know what you have for the front though please mate? price etc :thumbs:

 

struts



Hi Kev,

Original 1.7 sprint front legs, with konis, faulkner springs, same to rear, would like to
keep it all together as a job lot, if you are interested drop me a line.

Liam

 

Kev, are you doing the coil overs so you can adjust for road and then stiffen for track?

The AHM springs I had on my 33 racer with konis in std struts were very hard and it handled very well, but no way could it be driven off the track so assume that set up is no good for you?

 

not going to be road car mate, not for a few years at least anyway.
was doing the 2.25" coilover conversion mainly so i can have the flexibility to find a spring rate to suit the car and me. at the moment it's way too soft at the front, both in spring rate & shock damping

you have anything for sale?

 

I don't have anything for sale, sorry.

However should someone have some ex class F/D shocks and springs don't discount them.

The yellow konis I had were revalved to suit the lowering of the car and the AHM Springs were said to be 850lbs on the rear and 650lb fronts. I bought them off eBay so never knew for sure, but on the 33 it handled excellent. The sud has softer brunswick springs (650lb rear and 450lb fronts if I remember rightly). The sud under steered, the 33 over steered. I much preferred the stiffer springs so will look to stiffen the sud springs.

AHM might still do the springs?

The sud s3 insert is the same as a 33 s1 insert so if you come across some sud konis and can find some s1 33 struts then that would work.

 

Our production race car springs are 750 rear 450 front

I think i have a set of the old type koni inserts the larger dia
but i have no idea if they are any good ? youe welcome to them

If you want to go coil over
just convert any strut you can get inserts for
mod the strut to take late inserts

buy the coil over sleeves from say Comp Brake and make reducer sleeves to suit
your strut and

Cut off the top of the strut ie the bearing housing
then make you sleeve so its the correct length to take the koni
insert
make the sleeve so the id of the top sec is correct for the
koni to pull into

then Tig weld this to the strut
then shorten the threaded sleeve to suit and tig the theaded sleeve on top job done

If you want to fit a longer thead sleeve
remove the steering arms and refit upside down to give more room
lot of work tho

 

.........just about to send them to GAZ for them to convert.......

had given up the idea of doing the struts myself due to the cost of new inserts + the coilover kit, springs, top mount conversion etc managed to get not that far short of what GAZ would charge me to convert my struts into coilovers using their own top adjustable insert...

but, if you have some inserts that would suit the boge type 33 legs?? are they the ones that bolt to the bottom of the casing like old sud ones used to? would be keen on taking them off your hands to do the conversion myself..please could you let me know asap before i send mine to GAZ and spend money i could do without spending!!


interseting about the spring rates though. i was under the impression from talking to others that the fronts would be about 600 and rear about 450.
plenty of talk of late to contradict that, including now your own views.

more than happy to take advice from anywhere i can get it. i don't mind oversteer, lift off preferably for when it's needed (harking back to my rally days), but hate understeer. so guess that a firmer rear end would help that?

 

Having sat next to you at Cadwell, Kev, Shrew and I know you're not kidding when you say you don't mind oversteer!!! :cheese:

Ted

 

would rather a little less than we had that day though mate :lol:

logically thinking back to that though, we had stiff race springs (class F or C, from the colin wing car) and standard front 16V springs due to the issues with trying to get the wing ones fitted safely.
i did think on that morning that oversteer might be in order :lol:

so a stiffer rear than front may be in order

know i get confused easily and forget what folks tell me but think that bryan told me the other way round, front stiffer than rear

 

Just the way I have the springs Kev, slightly softer on the rear - their only purpose is to maintain ride height. My rear dampers are valved specifically by Bilstein and I use a rear anti anti-roll bar - likewise a arb on the front. Weight is 720kg - not much of it on the rear!

The car is very balanced and lift off oversteer is available (it oversteers until the rear tyres are warm).

 

well, change of plans again.

i had the struts all parcelled up to send to GAZ for them to make new legs up similar to how ade suggested. as he says, it is a lot of work so unsurpsingly it didn't come cheap. but having said that it wasn't that bad for what they would be doing.

so now i've managed to find some inserts that should fit, as long as my measurements are correct

koni sport ones, but not the alfa 33 or sud ones.

fingers crossed they are just the job at less than half the price of new 33 ones

 

Arent u gonna tell us which car they are for ?

 

my car

will do, as long as they fit

similar to my brakes.....

 

Can we start the guessing game again ?

 

if you want :lol:

they will be here in a few days, once i know they fit then i can start measuring up for all the other bits i need

 

nissan?

 

yes, the clue was in my brakes...

they're nissan inserts. from a B13 sunny apparently
i just searched for some that fitted the list of things needed.
so they have a threaded bottom fitting so they can be bolted to the bottom of my casings.
they have a diameter that will allow them to fit inside my casings.
they should sit about 30mm short of the top of the casing where i have cut the bearing carrier so won't be any issues with bottoming out with shorter springs with the lower ride height.


once i know they fit ok i will try and find more info about applications if others want to do the same, in particular when using lowering springs as there's a limit on how low you can go with standard height shocks before bottoming them out

 

Sunny?

Doh!

i was going to be brave and suggest you may have found a crafty stash of cherry europe stuff, curiously similar to what you needed! ha ha!


glad i didn't now!


i tell you what though mate, good find that, and if they work out, i can see your postman getting slightly annoyed at the heavy packages you'll be sent from several other members wanting the same!

good luck....

 

30mm shorter sounds spot on mate :thumbs:

 

yeah you would say that!

 

I use the Intrax solution in my sprint and they work perfect. but i use it only for race. price to performance is ok and its easy to adjust.

 

here a picture of the front suspension

 

you've used the standard suspension arms but just rose jointed them?

have you done all suspension joints that way?

looks great

 

Looks the Business