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Muz
How are you finding it and what is your Alfa owning history?

I cannot express just how un Alfa like I found the base model one I hired. Until I saw one in the flesh and then drove one I was set on buying one.

I totally accept that we all have different expectations and car needs but I found it such a disappointment given the pricing and my previous Alfas.
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cue2
I mentioned the Tonale when I spoke yesterday with an Alfa representative at the Savile Row concours. He said it’s needed to get more women customers for the company.
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Muz
cue2 said:
I mentioned the Tonale when I spoke yesterday with an Alfa representative at the Savile Row concours. He said it’s needed to get more women customers for the company.
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Suits you Sir?
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cue2 said:
I mentioned the Tonale when I spoke yesterday with an Alfa representative at the Savile Row concours. He said it’s needed to get more women customers for the company.
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I see plenty of women driving Giuliettas, Mitos, 916 Spiders, 147s, so what draw would the Tonale have?
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jparkin486
School run mums "need" SUV's if my views of passing schools is anything to go by!

I liked the hour I had with a Tonale (mhev version) last year but I always knew it wouldn't be as dynamic as the Giulietta I had at the time. But I did go in with a mindset it was a high up car, more of a sit on, rather than a sit in driving position. Maybe a longer time to explore all aspects of driving and build quality and materials would have seen me think differently (I don't know).

Not sure what I would think now after 8 months with my Giulia Veloce (280 bhp) as I may feel its very underpowered. I'd love to be able to run them both! Use the Tonale as a workhorse and the Giulia for weekend fun. :)
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braddersR
Let's hope there are a lot of wealthy school run mums then 😏
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brianellis.ese
Another example of why AR continuously under perform vs their opportunity. I am a life long AR fan and own/have owned more than 2 dozen of their cars.

I had this conversation with my AR dealer principal. What they need is a great small car which brings in the young buyers who will become the life long fans of tomorrow. My first AR was a Sud Ti GC and my sons first car was a Mito 170. The pool that AR swims in currently is littered with better perceived cars, most of which are cheaper vs the AR equivalent. This makes it almost impossible to pull people away from the Germans, Swedish and Far East competitors.

It’s gutting for me to see their continued failure as I love the brand and the Giullia and Stelvio (I have owned multiple version of each) are awesome cars.

Its about time AR got its act together and produce a small fun fast dynamic car that will appeal to the younger generation and address pricing and reliability to really grow the base.
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cue2
Have you noticed the German premium makers like Audi and Mercedes are deserting their entry level cars to concentrate on big stuff where they think they are safe and they can lose the EV cost premium?
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brianellis.ese said:
Another example of why AR continuously under perform vs their opportunity. I am a life long AR fan and own/have owned more than 2 dozen of their cars.

I had this conversation with my AR dealer principal. What they need is a great small car which brings in the young buyers who will become the life long fans of tomorrow. My first AR was a Sud Ti GC and my sons first car was a Mito 170. The pool that AR swims in currently is littered with better perceived cars, most of which are cheaper vs the AR equivalent. This makes it almost impossible to pull people away from the Germans, Swedish and Far East competitors.

It’s gutting for me to see their continued failure as I love the brand and the Giullia and Stelvio (I have owned multiple version of each) are awesome cars.

Its about time AR got its act together and produce a small fun fast dynamic car that will appeal to the younger generation and address pricing and reliability to really grow the base.
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Instead of the Tonale they should have offered a true Giulietta replacement to compete in the small family hatch segment. They could have even fitted the 280BHP engine from the Giulia with a fit of fettling and given a hot hatch variant. Those sorts of cars seem to be still selling well in the current climate.

It is hard to see how the Tonale can succeed. People who want an Alfa SUV will if they have any sense buy a Stelvio as it is just better. It will also struggle to attract buyers from other marques in the segment that offer similar sized cars due to the high price and average build quality.
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1 and 2 series sales last year were 37% down on 2021
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Could be that potential buyers in that segment are the ones hit hardest by rising inflation and increased mortgage costs.
Also are they not prime company car material? Given that more people are working from home perhaps employers are getting reluctant to provide the perk of a company car
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1 and 2 series sales last year were 37% down on 2021
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That could be down to BMW removing the 1 series unique selling point of RWD, and buyers are buying other cheaper FWD hatches instead.

How were Golf sales? They are usually a good solid seller in the hatch market, although the chip shortage affected most vehicles.
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Highly unlikely as 80 % of 1 series buyers would put the snowchains on the front, according to BMW research.
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Muz said:
How are you finding it and what is your Alfa owning history? I cannot express just how un Alfa like I found the base model one I hired. Until I saw one in the flesh and then drove one I was set on buying one. I totally accept that we all have different expectations and car needs but I found it such a disappointment given the pricing and my previous Alfas.
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Tonale owner here! I have a GTV 3.0 V6 and have owned 2 x Giuliettas and 1 x Mito previously. I’m a big fan of the Tonale now I’ve had it for a couple of months. It definitely looks better in the flesh. I have PHEV Veloce with 20” teledials and full leather. The infotainment and screens definitely deserve some credit as they’re very slick, have excellent graphics and allow a lot of customisation and settings. They particularly show EV info well. There are a few elements of the interior that are finished cheaply but a far cry from previous Giuliettas. Refinement and ride are also noteworthy. It’s a very quiet drive, especially in EV mode and the lack of road noise / ride on 20” wheels is impressive. The PHEV elements are well implemented also, it is almost unoticeable when it switches from EV to engine and vice versa. EV only mode is excellent, enough range to carry out those shorter journeys and plenty of power available just using the rear wheels. Finally the steering and handling deserve a mention - I think these still make you aware that this is an Alfa and you really can put the car through it paces with confidence. Dynamic mode has more than enough power for smiles! The DNA dial in the Tonale really feels like you’ve got 3 different cars in one depending on your mood or journey type. I love it!

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aromeorob said:
Tonale owner here! I have a GTV 3.0 V6 and have owned 2 x Giuliettas and 1 x Mito previously. I’m a big fan of the Tonale now I’ve had it for a couple of months. It definitely looks better in the flesh. I have PHEV Veloce with 20” teledials and full leather. The infotainment and screens definitely deserve some credit as they’re very slick, have excellent graphics and allow a lot of customisation and settings. They particularly show EV info well. There are a few elements of the interior that are finished cheaply but a far cry from previous Giuliettas. Refinement and ride are also noteworthy. It’s a very quiet drive, especially in EV mode and the lack of road noise / ride on 20” wheels is impressive. The PHEV elements are well implemented also, it is almost unoticeable when it switches from EV to engine and vice versa. EV only mode is excellent, enough range to carry out those shorter journeys and plenty of power available just using the rear wheels. Finally the steering and handling deserve a mention - I think these still make you aware that this is an Alfa and you really can put the car through it paces with confidence. Dynamic mode has more than enough power for smiles! The DNA dial in the Tonale really feels like you’ve got 3 different cars in one depending on your mood or journey type. I love it!
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That is good to hear (y)
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👍 nice to read it’s working for you.
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WantAGTA said:
I see plenty of women driving Giuliettas, Mitos, 916 Spiders, 147s, so what draw would the Tonale have?
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Space and newer tech !
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