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Over xmas i was driving my 156 and the fan belt snapped and the engine shutdown. I had it towed to a local garage and today they have said there is no compression and part of the fanbelt must have knocked into the timing belt. They have said they dont know the extent of the damage until they remove the cylinder head off (2-3 hours labour) and then it will be sent away to be examined for bent valves etc. An initial cost estimate is around £900 to fix this.

He did mention another option that they had a reconditioned cylinder head that they could replace the current one with but no cost was mentioned?

What would you guys think and suggest as best course of action?
Is it normal for the fanbelt to snap and then wipe out the timing belt? It seems quite an expensive feature of an alfa for a fanbelt snapping and causing massive damage?

Yours thoughts would be welcome as tomorrow i will probably need to decide which way to go and currently I am not to sure

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Hi,
Over xmas i was driving my 156 and the fan belt snapped and the engine shutdown. I had it towed to a local garage and today they have said there is no compression and part of the fanbelt must have knocked into the timing belt. They have said they dont know the extent of the damage until they remove the cylinder head off (2-3 hours labour) and then it will be sent away to be examined for bent valves etc. An initial cost estimate is around £900 to fix this.

He did mention another option that they had a reconditioned cylinder head that they could replace the current one with but no cost was mentioned?

What would you guys think and suggest as best course of action?
Is it normal for the fanbelt to snap and then wipe out the timing belt? It seems quite an expensive feature of an alfa for a fanbelt snapping and causing massive damage?

Yours thoughts would be welcome as tomorrow i will probably need to decide which way to go and currently I am not to sure

thanks,
mark
my initial response to this thread is regards your garage sending it away to be examined ..they obviously not equiped to LOOK themselves :rolleyes: i would ask them before any work is undertaken by them is ..have they appropiate timing tools for job ....cam locks dti
 

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Where in Lancashire are you? There are a few specialists around that way - Lytham and St. Helens are the first two that spring to mind, but I'm sure there's more.

Edit: and there's the St. Helens one! :)
 

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thanks for your response, i will ask them that tomorrow.

The car is only worth £800-£900 at best and i think the work is likely to cost probably more then the value of the car, i am in two minds is it really worth getting it repaired? The MOT is due in January and then Insurance due start of February, car tax for the year is expensive and the fuel economy is non existant. If i could work around it, it is probably makes more sense to get rid and get another car.

I suppose i just need to reach a decision
 

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I am just south of Preston, i got the car towed to a local garage just a few hundred yards from my house due to the time of year and garages being closed.
 

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You don't say what engine - I assume a 1.8 or 2.0 Twinspark?

I would speak to Gus (Alfa Tuner) above; the other chap I mentioned is Ferdis Garage who is also highly recommended.

I would hazard a guess that it will probably cost more than the car is worth, but that doesn't mean you should get rid - you've still got to pay insurance and tax on something, as well as buying another (potentially disastrous) car. Swings and roundabouts really.
 

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it is a 1.8 T Spark.

Yeah, there is pitfalls with every car and buying another is always a risk, just frustrating when a big jobs is needed form the fanbelt snapping
 

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You don't say what engine - I assume a 1.8 or 2.0 Twinspark?

I would speak to Gus (Alfa Tuner) above; the other chap I mentioned is Ferdis Garage who is also highly recommended.

I would hazard a guess that it will probably cost more than the car is worth, but that doesn't mean you should get rid - you've still got to pay insurance and tax on something, as well as buying another (potentially disastrous) car. Swings and roundabouts really.
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fan belt snapped ???? I assume you mean the cambelt.... there is no such thing as a fanbelt in an Alfa with TS engine...

p.s. even if the car is only worth 900 quid, it an still be a car you can drive after putting a new/revised head on it, now it is worth nothing
 

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My belt went a year ago, on the way to get a belt change, LOL. I decided on keeping my engine and had it rebuilt by CM Garage (Alfa specialist) It was the engine I knew and I have not looked back. Your quote is about right. But needs an Alfa Specialist to do .
 

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If the timing belt cover is in place i'm struggling to see how a broken auxilaiiary belt would get anywhere near it. Its not unheard of for a broken balance belt to do this but the 1.8 doesn't have one, only the 2.0 does.
 

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heard of it happening before certainly not impossible.
 

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If the timing belt cover is in place i'm struggling to see how a broken auxilaiiary belt would get anywhere near it. Its not unheard of for a broken balance belt to do this but the 1.8 doesn't have one, only the 2.0 does.
Absolutely right ! this tread got me puzzled.... 1.8 with a balancer belt. Bump !:eek:
 

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dont forget you will need big end shells replacing as well,cheapest option would be a second hand engine,and the money saved put towards new clutch, running gear, tyres, etc etc,you will then have a car that you know is right,and should give 3-5 years trouble free running.
 

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I'm not sure I would do big ends for a cam belt failure. If you think the pistons have hit valves hard enough to bruise the bearings then a shock that large would have me worried about piston fractures, small end and big end bearings. Why only the big ends?
I think a second hand engine does have merit but only if it has a known history and the cost of the engine plus swapping out sways the cost benefit.
If you do swap engines I would want to keep the old one. It is a source of spares and, if nothing else, has scrap value!

If there is a good reason to do big ends only, without being flamed, I would be pleased to know it.

PS: if this is a non Alfa specialist garage I would want to witness the compression test. It seems a coincidence that, "your engine is knackered; oh, lucky you we have a spare one!"
I am a sceptic and I do not believe in coincidence.
 

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The pistons rims will have hit the valves, this will cause the upper piston ring get stuck
at that point, the engine will start using oil (a lot!) after rebuild.
Believe me, I have seen a lot of these pistons !
The big ends also get a heavy blow which will give them a flat spot and after rebuild the oil pressure will be insufficient.
Cambelt failure is very bad news !
 
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